Why vote by mail is as secure or maybe more secure than in-person voting

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's ridiculous that people believe Trump about vote by mail flipping an election.

    First of all, the number of cases of fraud attempt are infinitesimal. There just aren't many. The few cases of people attempting to vote illegally have been bi-partisan. But Democrats an Republicans. But they have been so few that even if they had succeeded, they would have made absolutely no difference.

    I've been voting by mail in Florida since 2004 (I think). You receive an envelope with a ballot. It has a "sleeve" (I guess so nobody can try to look through the envelope to see who you voted for) and a return envelope. It has a barcode and it has my name, address, and a place for me to sign. So I mail it back to the Supervisor of Elections. When they open it, they can check that my signature matches the one they have on file from when I registered to vote. If they don't match, they alert me that there was a problem and I can either go to the office of elections to get another ballot, or show up at my regular voting place and cast a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots are counted last, so they can make sure that no other ballot shows up to my name.

    If I have any doubts about whether my vote was received, or counted, I can go to the County Elections website and check. If it wasn't received, again I can request a new ballot as above. I can follow the whole process online, since the moment my ballot was requested to the moment it's counted.
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    I can see that my vote was received and counted. Can you do that when you vote in person? I don't know because I haven't voted in person in over 16 years
     
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    Chrizton Well-Known Member

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    Vote by mail. Don't vote by mail. I just wish people would stop bellyaching about how unfair life is because they are doing one or the other or not doing one or the other. These are state issues determined by the various states. Trump has little to no say in it unless they are begging for federal money.
     
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    The cases discovered are infinitesimal. Just because they were not discovered, does not mean they did not occur.
    Have you done that every time/ Do you think that everyone would do it every time? Does it report how you voted?

    But, go ahead and vote by mail. I will vote in person. I don't have to worry about whether my vote counted. I can see it go into the voting machine as a printed record. As long as I can go to a Walmart, I will vote early, in person.
     
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    Try restating your claim with a description of the universal carte blanche mail-in voting that is the problem.
     
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    And bear in mind that the problem isn't the mailing in but the mailing out...
     
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    Except that it is becoming more and more difficult, by the day, to vote by mail. In Montana, 50% of the drop boxes were removed from the state - no reason given. And hundreds of mail sorting machines were removed from sorting facilities across the country. It wasn't enough to lie about the fraudulent nature of mail in voting, there had to be active measures to make it more difficult and to slow down the return of ballots.
     
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    Are you trying to have us believe that USPS decreased their facilities and machines just to put a monkey wrench into mail-in balloting????? Really??
     
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    Can you explain why, at a time when they will be expecting a huge increase of mail traffic, they would be taking measures to decrease efficiencies and productivity? And reduce access for the public?
     
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    Because they have been having financial troubles hand over fist for a long time. The mail-in voting push has zero to do with it.
     
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    So how does the removal of mail sorters help the financial issue? Automation has been proven to reduce costs...so why remove them?
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Where did you hear that???
     
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    Can you prove otherwise? A mail sorting machine can handle tens of thousands of letters per hour. How many people will that take, to do that job, manually?
     
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    Extreme conspiracy theories require extreme proof.
     
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    Voting by mail is completely different than absentee ballot voting. You are conflating the two. Typical democrat defense of corrupt voting. Why? Because democrats cheat. Have the dems got the Iowa primary votes counted yet?
     
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    He's crippling the USPS in order to prevent as many of us as possible from voting by mail. Does that seem right to you?

    It's the Republican way these days ... if you can't win on merit, cheat.
     
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    Trump is not doing one damn thing to the USPS..... not one, as in zero, zip, nada.
     
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    Vote in person or send your ballot by Fedex if you are that worried about it. Then you can track its delivery.
     
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    The Constitution places a date for voting for in National elections. Mail in votes, absentee votes, early votes are all fraudulent. Election day is on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. All other votes cast are fraudulent IMO.
     
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    I see you had to request your ballot....good that's what President Trump has been asking for and highllighting is the difference between what Dems want and what he wants...glad you agree with the President
     
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    how is he doing that?
     
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    Thinking this is a conspiracy suggests that you either haven't been paying attention over the past week or you are going to claim that it is all fake msm.
     
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    First the idea that Trump who isn't even in the chain of command has anything to do with it is ludicrous, second the most likely reason this stuff is happening is routine maintenance for equipment to prepare for the Christmas rush, and once a given post office drops below so many customers in that area code it closes because it cost far more to keep it open than it can ever possibly make.
     
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    Huge increase in mail traffic? What does it amount to, two to four pieces of mail per household over a one month period? We get more than that in a day. Then we have Christmas, when it increases by fifty times that much.
     
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    Mail-in voting is mail-in voting. Depositing a requested absentee ballot is depositing a requested absentee ballot.

    This is mail-in voting
    25 percent of ballots in Brooklyn June primaries invalid
    By Carl Campanile, Julia Marsh and Aaron Feis

    August 4, 2020

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/04/25-percent-of-ballots-in-brooklyn-june-primaries-invalid/



    Pennsylvania’s mail ballot problems kept tens of thousands from voting in a pandemic primary
    by Jonathan Lai, Posted: July 30, 2020
    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pa-mail-ballot-deadlines-disenfranchisement-20200730.html

    States reject tens of thousands of mail ballots in this year's primaries, setting off alarm bells for November
    Mail voting is the safest method in a pandemic. But pitfalls could trip up a potentially decisive number of people.

    July 18, 2020, 4:30 AM EDT

    By Jane C. Timm
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...ail-ballots-year-s-primaries-setting-n1233833
     
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