Why was it great what Democrats did in 2017 yet wrong for Republicans in 2021?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you know the Democrats counter strategy to what Nixon did?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This will be the subject of a number of books in the future.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know you want to beat up a Dead president but to get you back on topic.
    We can examine some of their hypocrisies. (Democrats)
    1. They never apologized for slavery.
    2. They never apologized for Jim Crow laws.
    3. They have lied in explaining what they did for blacks.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you feel one bit sorry that your vote caused the jobs of 11,000 pipeline workers to vanish and many more who depend on the oil workers who pay rent, buy food, cars, Computers, etc.? (hyperbole):above::above::above::above::above:
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fantastic. You clearly explained the remarks made against Trump these past 4 years.
     
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    Actually, a Democrat named Steve Cohen sponsored an official apology in 2008 for slavery AND Jim Crow laws,
    and it was ratified by The House of Representatives with a majority Democrat vote.

    Democrats have voted in BOTH a black President and Vice President and since 1990, have voted in over 800% more black
    Senators and 1200% more black House Representatives than Republicans (88 - 7).
     
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    Why do you think you can get away with making **** up? 11,000 pipeline workers did not lose their jobs.
     
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    The Right Wing would not brag about this. The authoritarian Left? They're proud of it.
     
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    Source? This isn't even a complete sentence. Just looks like a definition of a term.
     
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    Whataboutism Alert!

    Trump was stopped from stealing the election.

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

    His assault on the Capitol was a Hail Mary.
     
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    No, he wasn't. The economy grew as fast in Trump's first three years as it grew in Obama's last three. Not so great there.

    Fix healthcare? Nope. Rebuild infrastructure? No. Get the deficit under control? Definitely not. Stop illegal immigration? No.
    More than half simply overstayed a legal visit. They came through the front door.
     
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    Exactly.

    What happened in 2017 wasn't even on the same planet as Trump's 2-month campaign of Tinfoil Hat Posts (on social media) that Incited (and directly caused) a Deadly Insurrection.

    No "equivalency", whatsoever. None.
    ^And, Everybody Knows that,
     
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    Democrats have condemned and apologized for slavery and Jim Crow.
    So you say. Republicans are employing voter suppression against black to this day.
     
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    Bottom line: it didn't work, and there was an ideological shift where all the racists jokers from the Dems ran to the GOP.....those left are called "Dixiecrats", with a few "bluedogs" straddling the fence. Deal with it.
     
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    No shyte Sherlock....won't change the FACTS as I previously stated. But I won't begrudge a bunch of reality denying die hards to make a buck off a bunch of chumps by regurgitating the same old revisionist right wingnut BS.
     
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    My, but you do like to shovel it!

    As the chronology of the posts shows, YOU made a statement that I disproved by refering to a HISTORICAL FACT that directly addresses what you asserted. Don't like it? Tough donuts. No one guarantees life or history is kind.

    And since the switch:

    Answers to 1& 2:
    Although Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed civil rights legislation (and sent federal troops to integrate a Little Rock high school in 1954), it was Lyndon B. Johnson, a Democrat from Texas, who would eventually sign the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 into law.

    Upon signing the former bill, Johnson reportedly told his aide Bill Moyers that “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.”

    Over the course of the late 1960s and 1970s, more and more white Southerners voted Republican, driven not only by the issue of race, but also by white evangelical Christians’ opposition to abortion and other “culture war” issues.


    When Did Jim Crow Laws End?
    The post-World War II era saw an increase in civil rights activities in the African American community, with a focus on ensuring that Black citizens were able to vote. This ushered in the civil rights movement, resulting in the removal of Jim Crow laws.

    In 1948 President Harry Truman ordered integration in the military, and in 1954, the Supreme Court ruled in Brown v. Board of Education that educational segregation was unconstitutional, bringing to an end the era of “separate-but-equal” education.

    In 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, which legally ended the segregation that had been institutionalized by Jim Crow laws.

    And in 1965, the Voting Rights Act halted efforts to keep minorities from voting. The Fair Housing Act of 1968, which ended discrimination in renting and selling homes, followed.

    As to #3. Sorry, but your personal opinion based in bigoted revisionism and willful ignorance of American history is not worth any serious consideration.
     
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    And with usual right wing sycophantic desperation, you try and dodge the accurate assesment of your previous statement by moving the goal post to another assertion. The chronology of the post is your undoing....and for your latest blather Did Biden kill 11,000 jobs by cancelling Keystone Pipeline? | khou.com

    You got nothing but insipid stubbornness, Bobby. If you can't adhere to one topic and/or honestly answer a simple request to supply valid documentation to your blather, you're not worth further consideration.
     
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    Link please, because your right wingers do have a penchant for myopic research, out of context quotes, and just out right fraud. If you can't provide the link as easily as you did this alleged magazine quote, then I seriously doubt it's validity as you categorize it.
     
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    Can't you do better than mocking an elderly senator's physical appearance by comparing it to an amphibian? That isn't a political argument. Come on!
     
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    Bobby? Meaning Robert? Pretty sure there is something wrong with belittling a member of the forum by insulting him with a diminutive nickname.
     
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    Except it's not the same for Trump. Clinton and Obama didn't spend months pushing a fake stolen election narrative, egging on supporter's anger. I don't think this rises to the level of sedition or treason, but it does put some responsibility on Trump for his actions, which he knows are wrong because he has to lie to do them. He incited this riot with his fake rhetoric. He wasn't trying to take over the government or betray the government. But he did incite a riot that resulted in injury, death, and millions of Americans getting to see their capital building being invaded by a horde of delusional mouth breathers.

    I don't think that anything the president did broke the law, at least in regards to the fake stolen election narrative and the events at the capital. But that doesn't matter because we're not talking about charging him criminally. That's not what impeachment is. But when you have a man who is willing to use personal grievance and bruised ego to incite his supporters into criminal actions, that man does not deserve a chance of being back in the Oval Office where he could potentially do it again. And we the people don't deserve that possibility either.
     
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    I could care less if it bothers you, as you seem to have NO problem with the condescending, dismissive and insulting attitude by Bobby and his like minded compadres on this thread.

    To quote the late, great James Brown, "don't start none, won't be none!"

    You should be more interested in the FACT that Bobby and company keep parroting assertions that they can't support with documented facts from valid sources.
     
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    Already provided to Yardmeat previously. It is archived as well if Time scrubs it. https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
     
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    yeah, all those hundreds of thousands that died, did it just to make Trump look bad?
     
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