Let there be no error. It is not merely the Arab and Muslims world that the 'jewish state', wishes to bring, death, destruction, and their own brand of biologically driven psychopathy to...if you really think they ever intended to stop there, then you know not of their mindset. It may well be that relative comfort, together with too many 'entertainments', not to mention a society in which too many take hard drugs, or even go to their GP and are on a plethora of god knows what drugs, it may well be that through that fog, we cannot see that which is in front of us, it may well be that due to decades of 'positive propaganda' pertaining to them, that many simply are not psychologically able to fully understand both the past, and the present. I regard the so called Samson Option was being a very serious threat, that only fools would wave away. Now, I am sure that will happen, no doubt, someone will come by, and say how it doesn't really have any merit, or that it is only intended as a defensive measure against any attempt at 'destroying the Jewish state'. But remember, they lie ALL the time, if they could be definted by one thing alone, it would be that - their lies. When they say 'defensive' - they often mean OFFENSIVE. Do not forget also, that they love to play with words and phrases, so that 'destruction of the jewish state', could mean international efforts, to get them to obey laws that they are signatories to, if, for example, the political will picked up, and grew some balls. This kind of rhetoric and language, aimed at israel,by any other, would be taken as an act of war/delclaration of war, would it not? ************************ The Samson Option is a term used by various commentators to describe Israels alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a last resort against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well. Israel refuses to confirm or deny it has nuclear weapons or to describe how it would use them, an official policy of nuclear ambiguity, also known as "nuclear opacity." This has made it difficult for anyone outside the Israeli government to definitively describe its true nuclear policy, while still allowing Israel to influence the perceptions, strategies and actions of other governments. In 2006, in his book The Culture of War, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israels Hebrew University, wrote that since former United States Secretary of Defense Robert Gates admitted that Israel had nuclear weapons, any talk of Israel's nuclear weapons in Israel can lead to "arrest, trial, and imprisonment." Thus Israeli commentators talk about "doomsday weapons" and the "Samson Option Nevertheless, as early as 1976, the CIA believed that Israel possessed 10 to 20 nuclear weapons. By 2002 it was estimated that the number had increased to between 75 and 200 thermonuclear weapons, each in the multiple-megaton range.Kenneth S. Brower has estimated as many as 400 nuclear weapons.These can be launched from land, sea and air.This gives Israel a second strike option even if much of the country is destroyed. The Israeli Ambassador warned President Nixon of very serious conclusions" if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option. Martin van Creveld "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under" Ron Rosenbaum writes in his 2012 book How the End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear World War III that in the "aftermath of a second Holocaust" Israel's surviving Dophin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate not only against Israel's attackers, but "bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)" as well as the "holy places of Islam." He writes that "abandonment of proportionality is the essence" of the Samson Option. Wiki.. [video=youtube;Xq1-oFjuPeI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq1-oFjuPeI[/video]
Some Israeli ambassador told Tricky Dick if he didn't airlift supplies, nuclear missiles would be in the air like mayflies? And you REALLY think Nixon of all people would have folded? Carter, unquestionably. Obama would crumple like a tin can. But NIXON? Nah, ain't buyin' that.
Make no mistake, albeit my words, to all but a few (but the few that count), will be met with the usual reactions, that are of no consequence to me now, and I do not expect you to concede this, but what israel has become, in essence, and I can prove this, is a retreat for a vast, dangerous, and pervasive crime syndacite. Only a fool would not take into account the files if the FBI themselves, who will tell you, that they are gravely concerned about Jewish organised crime, esp as, due to easy access into and out of the US, and Europe, they can move freely, and they are involved in any and every criminal practice that you can think of. Make no mistake, they are very very mixed up with the leaders there, for a state of only 5million or so, it is utterly ABSURD the level and degree organised crime that seems to operate from there. Please compare any other nation of that figure, and you will soon see that there is NO Western nation with that populace, for example Norway, who can compare to the sheer scale of organised crime, as 'israel'. And this matters. Why? Well, apart from the obvious, it also means that some of probably the most psychopathic minds on the planet today can operate any act of terror, against Americans, Europeans, or whoever their psychosis causes them to think are their new enemy, because to fullfill that desire to feel persecuted, you must create first those that hate you, even if it exists only in your mind. It was not so long ago, for instance, that the FBI regarded the JDL as being a terrorist group, and very dangerous. More active and dangerous than any domestic WN or Muslim group. Since unfettered access has been allowed into everything, for these 'jews', and since they care not for any human life that is not their life, they would not hestitate at all to cause deaths in America or Europe, if for example, the US and Germany were to cut the money. They would, in their demented heads, see that as 'destruction of the jewish state', and, at that very point, they are mad enough and, more worryingly, enabled enough, to kill en masse, and in an indiscriminate manner. If you don't think so, then you really do not undestand their nature. Jack
Funny how you did not ask that of a thread about Jews being ready to decant from Europe. As to this, well, oddly enough, since we are living in times when I believe they are getting more insane, and since this 'Samson option' is not made up, but pertinent to the here and now, and to the world, I would rather like to discuss it. Not for you? No worries, start a thread of your choosing. Thanks
no somebody else made the comment but it was ignored as mine will no doubt be,. As for the sampson option, you'll have to forgive my rather blase attitude towards it since I was brought up in the times of the MAD doctirne of the cold war)(mutually assured destruction). since then it wasn't a small country with maybe 400 nukes and no ICBMs it was two superpower with thousands of MIRVs and megaton hydrogen bombs with hundreds of delivery platforms. As a doctrine, the Sampson option is a pretty darn good deterrent. Hypothetically Iran knows if they nuke Israel then Iran becomes a sea of glass. gotta figure even a religious fanatic like the ayatollah would think twice about bringing forth the 12th imam.
Let them wipe the Arabs out. Why do you care? I say we let them loose and don't hold them back. They have to live with the nuclear fallout much more than us.
TS, I would just like to say that no one that I know of has tried to corrupt the US government from Palestine. The same can not be said for our supposed Israeli, and Turkish "allies". With that said, it should be easy to say the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The only problem is that both sides of the Israeli, Palestinian conflict are crazy as hell. Neither side has any interest in peace due to their utter hate for the other side. As long as this remains true, I think the two deserve each other. If you want to change American's minds about the Israeli government, your far better off showing people the light of how the Israeli government has spies in almost all of our nuclear facilities around this country, and how AIPAC, and the ATC are more of a threat to American security than Iran could be in its wettest dreams!
Perhaps you should read up on the 9 congressman who were selling nuclear secrets on the black market, including the man 3rd in line to be president. This isn't a CT. You very well may have heard of Sibel Edmonds in the MSM, but what you didn't hear was her testimony under oath where she makes these claims along with many others. These would be claims the Department of Justice has called credible, and deserving of further investigation when they found in her favor in a whistle blower protection investigation.
I wish to discuss the topic. You do not. Fine. Please either speak about the topic, or move on. Thanks
I would except I can barely even read anything you write, even if it wasn't the same old stuff you've likely said about Israel a million times already.
So what about me? I believe the Turkish government is just as much of a threat to the US as the Israeli government. Does that mean I hate the joos too? I bet you can't respond without slinging more mud, and that their will be zero substance in your post. As for the poster with the comment about how it is statistically more likely.............
@Pimptight The main thing is just not to tolerate their ways, if you even entertain their ways by 1%, you are playing their game. Thus, I take the approach that yes, I will debate content of any given thing, but the moment they try to take it away from that, or want to speak about something unrelated, or about you, as a person, or they start with their tiresome (and, ironically, more likely to cause antipathy toward Jews) tactic of bleating 'Jew hater' etc, over and over, just do not tolerate them. Ignore it, politely ask that they return to topic, speak about the content, and do not tolerate anything which is directly aimed at you. Anyway, speaking of which, it should be of grave concern to all, and I would include v much the US in this, that israel have, in practice, turned a small part of the desert into what can be described as a criminal retreat, in which they, as a state, and often, as individuals, are beyond the reach of justice or accountability. Make no mistake. They are what they are, a 60yr old state, founded on acts of terrorism, grown by acts of theft and crime, and propped up by the criminal act of extorting money from all Americans, and all Germans. The sheer scale of violations in a short time, by this bastard state, absolutely qualifies it as being a terror state, a rogue state, an entity which, by it's very presence, has undermined the safety of everyone, to one level or another. The fact that we have a situation in which THEY, this rogue, terror, criminal, ammoral state, with 400 nukes, preaching to Iran, is beyond a joke. It is they who should never have been allowed to stockpile nukes, seriously, I can barely think of a more demented and criminal group that would be worse to let have nukes, than these psychopaths. They would even turn them on the US, when the US finally find a leader that can grow a pair of balls, and stand up to israel.
I find the posting of a list that describes the tactics being used, to actually open people's eyes to what is occurring. On my last forum I believe this resulted in my banning, as the shills just didn't know how to deal with it. I had changed as many people's minds about shilling in 2 weeks, as I had in the year prior. Its one thing for you to tell people about the tactics being used, it is another to constantly point them out. By not engaging in a argument about shilling, but instead just posting the link with the tactic being used, it has the same effect as you were purposing while also educating lurkers. BTW, I'm not sure how familiar you are with that guide I always link, but I hope you are aware that more than likely, the "3 guys" that came in here calling you a joos hater, was more than likely a multi-account, attempting to forum slide. I think the proof of how effective posting the tactic being used, is in all the deleted messages in this thread. Do you think if I hadn't posted the Shoot the messenger tactic over and over, that a mod would have removed the posts from the other posters? I mean I have only been here a couple weeks, but I have seen way worse examples of Off-topic trolling, where the messages weren't deleted. So this brings the question, why was this different? Next time someone calls you an anti-Semite for criticizing Israel, you may want to take note of how effective it is to then show how Turkey is just as much a threat to the US. It makes it very difficult for them to pigeon hole you.
Well, I think there was your method + the fact that I get so fed up with the usual suspects, always getting away with this sort of thing, that I simply did as I was asked to do, and reported it, over and over and over. There is also this to factor in.. Jews paid taxpayer $ to be internet trolls? "The Foreign Ministry presents: talkbackers in the service of the State http://www.kibush.co.il/show_file.asp?num=34520 Translated for Occupation Magazine by George Malent After they became an inseparable part of the service provided by public-relations companies and advertising agencies, paid Internet talkbackers are being mobilized in the service in the service of the State. The Foreign Ministry is in the process of setting up a team of students and demobilized soldiers who will work around the clock writing pro-Israeli responses on Internet websites all over the world, and on services like Facebook, Twitter and Youtube. The Foreign Ministry’s department for the explanation of Israeli policy* is running the project, and it will be an integral part of it. The project is described in the government budget for 2009 as the “Internet fighting team” – a name that was given to it in order to distinguish it from the existing policy-explanation team, among other reasons, so that it can receive a separate budget."
Interesting, I had never seen that before. As far as you reporting the posts, I guess that is why it is good to ask questions......as it is the only way to ever find answers
