Why we dont want religion in schools. Florida school now allows satanic material.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/b...orida-schools/


This school, appearantly, originaly only allowed christian material to be handed out. The school was promptly sued. The lawsuit was dropped after the school agreed to allow other viewpoints on faith to be represented.


And now this is the result. If you want religion to be pushed in the public schools, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET.

This is, IMO, why religion does NOT belong in public schools. The only real argument that christians can make against this is to either remove religion from schools, OR, make the argument that schools should be allowed to unfairly discriminate against non christian religions.


I dont see how they have a leg to stand on here.

 

I believe that religion belongs in either your house of worship or your home and no where else. There are two things which divide people in this world: religion and politics. Both should be kept out of the public schools.

 

Well, there goes the "FREE PRACTICE THEREOF" clause right in the incinerator.

The rule of law means nothing to you people.

 

Schools really should be free of religious indoctrination. Please, for the love of the FSM...

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I don't know about the "no where else" bit, but religion certainly has no place in school EXCEPT as a subject of OBJECTIVE and UNBIASED study.

 

As long as we are not judging the book/ pamplet on religious grounds, we can still judge the material as appropriate or inappropriate for the age of the children. It is entirely possible that the satanist pamphlet is inoffensive. if it is not sexual, is not violent, and overly provocative / disturbing for the maturity level, I don't think we should worry about it. For example if there is a copy of the Holy bible sitting on the shelves of the library in a High School, I see no reason this material or the koran, etc can't sit next to it. I have no problem with that bible sitting there as a reference book, or for students of that age to peruse or read. I do not want teachers or adults to 'encourage' such reading however.

 

I agree. A lot of conservatives dont agree though. At which point I have to question their motives.

There really are only 3 arguments that can be put forth here.

A.) All recognized religions get equal access - Conservatives dont like this one.
B.) The school allows no religion. - Conservatives dont like this one either.
C.) The school should only allow christianity over all other religions, and christianity DESERVES prefernetial treatment. - Conservatives love this.

 

It's one of many reasons there absolutely needs to be a shift in how voters get herded together in this country. There needs to be separation of loony Christian social conservatism from fiscal conservatism as a political ideal and platform.

We also need genuine fiscal, small-gov conservatives in the race for a change..

 

the church has been failing to attract kids to Sunday School so they are trying to enter the public schools, but that opens the doors to all other religions too, once they find that out they usually back off

""Vouchers can be used for Muslim Schools? OOPS!""

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/06/1106793/--Vouchers-can-be-used-for-Muslim-Schools-OOPS

 

into the incinerator??? how?why?

CONGRESS can make no law prohibiting...doesn't mean groups can't. Meaning School is for education, thus they can have a zero religious doctrine. schools that are public are NOT Federal, thought they may or may not receive Federal funds or need to meet Federal education guidelines.

If you contend that practice thereof means anytime anyplace then hell, I can stop working all together and tell my boss I am practicing my religion by reading the Bible on his dime. Fire me and I will sue...see how stupid that sounds?

Religion and School are NOT parts of a Reese's peanut butter cup. They are not 2 great tastes that taste great together.

What is with the incessant need to force Christianity or God on everyone? One is to accept of their own free will or not at all.

 

Why should I allow you to jam your religious beliefs down my throat? Or is that something your religion dictates?

 

I have no problem with religions being taught in school and in fact think it may even be a good idea. Now let me explain that real quick. First and foremost it should be an elective class, not a requirement. The second thing being that it's not really a class to indoctrinate and praise but to study the culture and understanding the people who practice it and to hopefully teach people to accept others for their differences.

 

Why would you allow it in? That's the question. Nothing gets in unless you allow it.

 

Public schools are a government entity; they do not have the authority to “PROHIBIT THE FREE PRACTICE…” of your religion. They also do not have the authority establish a religion or religion itself. By allowing people to freely practice their faith is not establishing. Establishing means you are FORCED to observe a religion, or religion itself.

Where you work is a private enterprise. They can restrict your ‘free practice’. You are doing it on their dime. And you can sue, but you will lose on those grounds. Government cannot dictate to private businesses how they run their business on these grounds.

You folks love to mix your apples and oranges. You fail to recognize the constitution was not written to limit people or private businesses. It was written to limit government. On religion it is simple… they cannot prohibit your free practice of religion, and they cannot force you to adhere to any religion or religion itself. That is all.

 

Sheeeit - religion doesn't belong ANYWHERE in public.

 

What the constitution, THE LAW OF THE LAND, dictates and that I am allowed to FREELY practice my religion. What you propose is that I be limited to my home and church. Tell me, are your suggesting there should be a law forbidding anyone from practicing their religion outside of these places? What would be the penalty for violating this?

 

no one is being stopped from practicing their faith. You can pray in school if you are a student, you can share your faith, you can wear religious garb and you can get time away without penalty to celebrate your religion.

What you can't do is
1. Have the school officials share religion
2. Choose to allow some to share religion and not others.

Neither is protected by that clause.

 

So in this class I can teach about the authors of the Bible? Can I show that sections of the Hebrew Bible were directly influenced by earlier stories of places like Babylon? Can I show that the writing of sections of the Bible were written for a small population at a particular time and that it was later edits tried to universalize it? Since all of those things are facts that are known how would a Biblical literalist be comfortable with the class?

 

Hmm, what do you think we should teach. Maybe we should not teach the 10 commandments at all. Maybe moral relativism tells us that, killing people is just fine. Stealing is just great. Sleeping around, and not getting married doesn't have any correlation to crime. Gluttony won't kill you at an early age. Purgery should not be a crime. Great things come from idol worship. On and on...

It doesn't matter what the facts are as long as you can label the opposition as a religious RADICAL.

 

agreed, keep all the religious books in one place in the library

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So then, would teaching religious views in a class room be forcing???

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or better yet, out of the Library and School. Let churches have their own Library where kids can read after school hours.

 

Teach the history of the religion and how it has changed and evolved over the centuries. How people in present day practice it differently depending on the location. The ways it has affected our history and how it may be still doing so.

I don't care how a literalist would feel about it.

 

Tax the religion period this should have been done years ago. You want to bring religion into government then you have to pay for that right

 

I never suggested bringing religion into government. In fact, I believe I was clear to the opposite. Or perhaps I'm not understanding what you mean by "bring religion into government".

 

Only if the teacher says "If you don't believe this you will get a failing grade".

I've known for a long time that information is knowledge and power, and the anti-religion crowd aims to limit information regarding religion. There is nothing wrong with a teacher teaching "here is this religion and what they believe". There is nothing wrong with a school handing out info on religion as long as it's in that same context. Where the line is crossed is when a teacher decides to enforce their views and grade their students according to those view. That does cross the "establishment" clause line. Our teacher teach views on things all the time. I fear more a teacher pushing their political views than I do religious. And it happens all the time. Religion is a central factor in the establishment of this country. And we're trying to remove this historical fact from our schools as though it isn't true. This is a rewriting of history.

 

The first amendment provides for the freedom of and freedom FROM religion as well.

You can have your religion, you can not force it onto me. That is not within your rights.

Learn what the constitution actually protects before you spout off about it.