Why we dont want religion in schools. Florida school now allows satanic material.

athiesm can be defined as a religion

man-made global warming can be defined as a religion

college football can be defined as a religion....

As a Christian, as a teacher, in Florida.... as long as they allow any STUDENT LED GROUP present it.... if they want to pass out fliers about Zues is the real god.... so be it. The only time I have problems is when one group is allowed to present their views, but others are forbidden....


I also think whatever stuff students present, needs to be on their own time.... before school, after school, lunch.... not during structured instruction time. I also don't think teachers should be pushing either side. There always needs to be supervision of students when they are on campus, so if in a commons area, you have a group presenting Satanic, or Christian views, or gay views, or anti-gay views.... it doesn't break down into assault by people who disagree.... but beyond that... if teachers organize the prayer meeting.... it's wrong

 

what strawman? I said exactly what your saying, most Christians believe in Evolution... (modern day Christians, the ones alive before we learned of Evolution obviously do not count)

what I said : "Gates and Einstein believed in Evolution, they just also happened to also believe in a God, as do most Christians"

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I do not want Christians or Muslims hanging out on school playgrounds trying to convert other peoples children... even preachers have been known to be child molester

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I provided a list and you provided a list. That's a big "SO WHAT" moment. The cartoon contended that if you believe in creation you have evolved less than those that don't. I gave you a list of those that supposedly evolved less. And given you have supposedly evolved faster than the people on my list you can show where you have done something in this world that changed the entire world completely.

In other words, the cartoon is BS and defending it shows how bigoted this discussion has gotten.

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Well, I do patiently wait for science to explain how EVERYTHING in the universe got here. It had to have come from somewhere. Or are you going to contend it was always here?

 

Yes but a teacher wearing a cross on a necklace isn't imposing anything on anybody. Even having a book like the Bible they use in their free time during the day on heir desk isn't indoctrinating. Passing out religious literature, or invited kids to prayer meetings, on campus during school hours, now we are crossing a line. The paranoia runs both directions.

 

Studying the bible for 6 weeks is NOT the same as wearing a cross hanging on a chain.......quit moving the goal posts ....

 

I am not Christian, but I sang in public school Christmas shows.

I read, "The Book of Ruth" in Public School literature class.

What is wrong with me?
I am not offended by the above experiences.
Actually I like the Ruth story, especially that it establishes some "tainted" blood in the House of David.
And it is a good story.

As long as indoctrination into "faith", such as prayer toward a faith ie. Jesus, does not occur, I still have no problem with it. Prayer to a "great unseen unknown omnipotent" as acknowledges only something greater than oneself is American and appropriate as long as participation is not required.

Nor do I believe multi culturalism requires some Hindu or Buddha story being included in literature because a Bible story was.
The history and greatness of America does rest on its' mainly Protestant foundations.
That should be sustained because something in their culture, made America regardless of "what else" decided to live here in their system. The "what else" did not establish America although they helped build it. And they are as free to live in America according to their own style, mostly.
Sikh kids still can't take their ritual knives to Public Schools.
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Like I said, it was a literature class and that is the way it was taught. Everybody was free to discuss the material not their beliefs. Big difference.

 

I absolutely agree because the initiative is coming from the student. Once an adult staff member starts organising, or facilitating this same behavior I have a problem.

 

why do you hate free speech so much.... or are we only allowed to have free speech you agree with ....

any other constitutional rights you want to see removed while you're at it....

is voting ok as long as I vote Democratic?

 

You can teach all of the above without invoking 'gods'.

 

why do you want to let people that have no business on our children's school yard playgrounds have access to our children, I do not see that as a right you have, you have no right to walk up to other peoples children on school grounds and start preaching to them


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They can have their satanic material, if they have the Ten Commandment up on the wall.

 

we're talking kids passing out material, organizing prayers.


kids should be allowed ON THEIR OWN TIME, NOT DURING INSTRUCTION, to talk about God, Allah, Jehovah, Satan, Jeebus. The moment it's a teacher/staff led initiative, or required attendence.... its wrong.

 

I'm a conservative and I don't think religion should be taught in schools. Kids should be taught only math and science, not who or how to worship, that should be up to the parents..... actually, altho I am a Christian, I really don't care for organized religions. I think they're all about power and $$$.

 

I think it should be clarified some.


Should we have church, mass, synagague as required subjects.... no


should we teach religion in history classes? Absolutely...... like religion or not, it has affected history.

Should we teach what islam/judaism/christianity/ is in a religions class? Absolutely.


but should we have sunday school.... no

 

like any organization, corruption can occur. the larger the organization, the more chance there is of people using the cloth as a way to separate people and their money

It's why I go to a smaller church

 

OH MY GOD!
I had not seen this before! I cannot believe someone would agree for such incredibly awesome freedoms for ALL KIDS OF ALL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS then act like she put her foot in her mouth. Someone should definitely replace her, not because they allowed Islamic schools (I think thats great personally) but because she would have the audacity to legitimately make discriminating remarks against them.

Just saying.

 

Oh I agree we should talk about the histories of religion, the Crusade, the Inquisitions, ect... in history... not science

the theocracy we were fleeing from, the convert or killing of the Indians...

how some thought they had a God given right to own slaves....the list goes on

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or the humanitarian missions, the habitat for humanity buildings, or double standards that THIS




is targetting gays for a assualt is a hate crime,




but targeting priests for his religion for assault






is not

 

Satanism is not a religion. Neither is Wicken. Having said that.....schools are for learning reading, writing, math and science, etc. Get the religious schooling on Sundays or at home.....not in public schools.

 

You act like you are handling U-238. Why bother with all of your precautions?

 

Not really. Individuals are free to practice their religion freely (with limits to prevent criminal behavior being excused by religious belief), but government organizations are not allowed to promote a particular religious belief. You shouldn't assume legal errors within the Constitution simply because you don't understand the legal terminology with which it was authored.

 

You're absolutely right! If it ain't Southern Baptist, then it ain't religion!

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AGAIN... I am not proposing - nor have I seen anyone else propose - that any government organization promote any religion. I thought I have been clear to the contrary. Teaching it in school from an historical standpoint is NOT promoting it.

You last sentence has absolutely no meaning to me since I haven't made an such claim. I have also provided plenty of background on our founder's intent in writing the 1st amendment. You can get off this "you don't understand" high horse until you've gone back and read what I've written.