Why we dont want religion in schools. Florida school now allows satanic material.

I agree. I have no problem with teaching about religions in public schools -- only with public school authorities promoting a religious belief system.

 

yes they are both religions wiccans had to fight for the right to honor their loved ones who died in battle and won

that should be taught in history

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What is the benefit of teaching a comparative analysis of religion in a public school that should be devoting its instruction to help students prepare for employment or for higher education.

Do you think MacDonald's cares if their workers understands the differences between Hinduism and Buddhism?

 

beating someone as hatecrime vs protesting someone attacking your rights through non-violence not a hate crime... hmmmm, surprised you can't see the difference?


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With humans, on any subject, you are going to get those that go into the classroom with an agenda other than teaching kids about the subject they were hired to teach. We have to hold our teachers accountable to sticking with the subject; we have to ensure our teachers aren’t attempting to indoctrinate our kids on any particular subject. In a world history class I have certain levels of concern that a teacher may tell their 16 year old students how evil capitalism is while promoting communism as to where this country needs to move. That doesn’t mean I believe Communism shouldn’t be taught. I think we’re all aware that there will be teachers that have agendas. THAT is what we should deal with, not removing subjects that are integral parts of our history because we’re uncomfortable with the subject.

But the bigger thing that should be happening is parents being completely invested in their child’s education. They need to have constant conversations with their kids to see what’s being taught and how. If a red flag is raised, you go to the school and talk to them. No child should be the target for propaganda and person agendas of teachers on any subject.

 

SSDD. The right to practice does not mean the right to practice on anyone else.

 

To be clear, I'm not advocating for even that sort of religious education in public schools. Not unless it would help the students develop critical thinking skills, anyway... I just see that as being the only appropriate form of religious education for a public school to teach. But, you know, religious parents would probably raise a big fuss and demand that their kids be exempted from such classes, anyway

Also, school isn't just there to prepare young people to flip burgers.. It introduces students to all sorts of different topics, thus doing what you say - preparing them for higher education - in addition to giving them basic knowledge and skills that can help them get and hold jobs. It also enriches the student personally to have a somewhat broad, rounded education. Studying religion certainly could be a part of this, and it would be really nice to see students elevated above subscribing to one religion out of ignorance, to a point where they can look at world religions in their historical and cultural contexts. Why limit that to higher education?

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Right. Freedom to practice does not mean freedom to use government institutions as a vehicle for proselytising.

 

That sounds very much like thinly veiled paranoia that our public schools aren't teaching the "truth" that our nation was founded for the purpose of being a capitalistic, theocratic oligarchy.

 

when you said you paid taxes so you had a right to push religion on other peoples children, I thought that meant you were an adult, not a grade-school student


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Ohio High School Accused of Promoting Political Agenda in Classroom

[video=youtube;VasPXdNtRUk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VasPXdNtRUk[/video]

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"Public" means government. It means no 10 Commandments in Courts, or Manger scenes on city property. It means that religious tenants cannot be used as a basis for making laws. It means that government schools have no place leading prayers, endorsing religion, or, with the possible exception of a comparative religious history class, having it in the curriculum.

But you are free to display your religious symbology at your church, in your front yard, you are free to rent advertising space on a billboard or TV commercial. You can put it on your car. But not in the it Council Chambers. Simple.

 

I see, so we’re changing the definition of public. Public is anywhere that is not private – your home, a private business, etc… Public is everything else – Sidewalks, parks, roads, wooded areas, etc… If a private business, even though it is open to the public, wants to display religious things they have a right to do so. If they want to forbid their employees from saying ‘Merry Christmas’, they can. Let the customers decide the consequences.

But, I was originally replying to this:

I want to know how this is enforced? I’ve asked it several time with no answer. Got one?

And for the umpteenth time I have not advocated, nor do I advocate schools leading prayers or endorsing religion. I have stated exactly what you stated, that I would like to see “comparative religious history class”. But I also want American history to reflect the influence of religion in establishing this country.

 

Promoting a political agenda is quite different from promoting a religious belief, don't you think?

 

Then again, I suppose it amounts to a distinction without a difference for those whose political ideology actually is their religion.

 

Same way we enforce other laws in this country; the judicial system.

Then what is the issue? If we both agree, there is nothing to debate among us.

 

There are a ridiculous number of reasons to avoid teaching religion in secular schools. Not the least of which is how it would be taught. Let's say we are talking about the 10 commandments as some people say. Let's look at a few:

1. I the Ruler am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods besides Me.
According to Jewish tradition the concept of Jesus violates this commandment. This means that if taught it school that would have to be mentioned. How would you feel about that.

2. Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
What day of the week is the Sabbath?

3. You shall not murder.
This is often and wrongly translated as You shall not kill. How will a secular school deal with that?

Right now we know that teaching this will isolate some students to what benefit?

 

Finally someone with the courage to admit they want laws that limit our FREE PRACTICE of our religion to our homes and our church. Practicing your religion anywhere else would be a criminal act.

Welcome COMMUNISM!

You got me.

 

Wow! I didn't know that was what communism was about; here I'd been thinking it was a one-party system! Just goes to show you learn something new everyday. Thanks for your input Comrade!

 

modern Communism is about that very thing. Religion is BANNED in Communist countries.

Freedom of religion in China

Freedom of religion in North Korea

Freedom of religion in Russia

Freedom of religion in Vietnam

Cuba is the only Communist state that has recently allowed more open practice of religion, but in the onset of the Castro regime religious activities were extremely limited and viewed as suspicious behavior. But they are still very limited in various practices.

Religion in Cuba

Modern Communism has been used as a means to limit liberties in a plethora of ways. Religion was always viewed as a means for people to gather and organize. This was a threat to Communism and its intent to control the lives of the people. What some folks on here are proposing are laws that limit the FREE PRACTICE of religion in the same manner Communism limits it. What dangerous place you are proposing. If religion can be limited in this way, any enumerated right can be. You give government this sort of power, it won't end with religion. Gun control is another example of this.

 

Or in other words, force their religious belief's down your throat whether you agree with them or not.

 

Do you believe?

 

Do I believe what? That religion belongs in your house of worship or your home, yes. Do I believe you have a right to force your religious views down my throat whether or not I agree with them, then the answer is no; I don't believe in that.

 

Do you believe in God (Yahweh), or any god?

 

That's none of your concern with whom or what I believe in; it's not Germaine to this debate. No offense.

 

It is if you're going to claim religion can be forced on you by me or any other person. I think you make it clear that it isn't forced on you, and it can't be. Only government can do such a thing.