Why Would Flat Earth Matter?

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  1. Electron

    Electron Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We've already covered this. You've given no explanation for why the pendulum advances CW north of the equator, CCW south of it, or why it changes its plane of oscillation at all. You're busted.
     
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    We lay on our backs and watched it move steadily across the sky. Were you even born back then?

    Have you ever been to a planetarium or a natural history museum?
     
  3. Soupnazi

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    Yes it is and yes they do and did. The evidence they used is not merely written it is testable and can be replicated. Something your stupid theories fail at every time.

    The proof has been placed in your face and you simply lie about it.
     
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    Sputnik was a satellite, not an airplane. And it wasn't visible because of it's size, rather it's reflectivity.
     
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    This topic is a waste of time and nonsense for the truly foolish.
     
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    next Trump will be tweeting he looked out his plane window and did not see a round earth, so it must be flat
     
  7. DentalFloss

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    If you go high enough (think 41k and above) you can see the curvature with your own eyes.
     
  8. Soupnazi

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  9. jrr777

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    Have you done a pendulum experiment yourself? Or do you just go off of what others "say"?
    No, even it's reflection would not of been seen, far to small at that distance and speeds.

    This is the myth of satellites. Everybody claims they have seen one, yet they have not.
     
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    Ok there pumpkin, I realize you would be lost without the ball earth. The religion thereof is rather popular, it's a religion that is of the "belief" that there is no God. And this religion does everything it possibly can to detour people from our Father who is in heaven.

    You are a PRIME example of this!
     
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    One cannot see the curve from a plane window. For there is no curve.
     
  12. Soupnazi

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    It is not a religion it is simple fact. Not believing in god is not a religion either.

    It is you who would be lost.

    GPS would not work with a flat earth and neither would maps which utilize latitude and longitude. You would be aimlessly wondering in circles on a flat earth.

    Rather then spewing hyperbole try some evidence or just leave and admit you are wrong.
     
  13. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Wrong I showed you photographic evidence to the contrary and much like the iamges of space of a round earth you can only lie and call them fake without presenting any evidence whatsoever that they are fake.

    Since they are not fake they prove you wrong and you cannot challenge that fact.

    The earth is round that is fact and you know it
     
  14. jrr777

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    In the mid 19th century a Frenchman named Léon Foucault became famous for swinging pendulums and claiming their consequent motions were proof of the Earth’s diurnal rotation. Since then “Foucault Pendulums” have regularly been swinging at museums and exposition halls worldwide purporting to provide everlasting perpetual proof of the heliocentric spinning ball-Earth theory. The truth is, however, unbeknownst to most of the duped public, that Foucault’s pendulum is a failed experiment which proves nothing but how easy it is for pseudo-science to deceive the malleable masses.

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    This pendulum, modern scientists tell us, affords a visible proof that we are living on a whirling globe, which, according to a ‘work on science’ now before me, is spinning upon its so-called axis at the rate of over 1,000 miles an hour at the equator; and, in addition to other motions, is rushing on an everlasting tour round the sun (the diameter of which is said to be 813,000 miles, and its weight 354,936 times greater than the earth from which it is said to be about 93,000,000 miles distant,) at the rate of over 1,000 miles per minute. Now to prove that the earth really has these motions a pendulum is suspended at the show; the showman sets motion, and bids the gaping world of thoughtless men and women to ‘behold a proof’ that we are living on a whirling globe which is rushing away through space!” -Lady Blount, “The Romance of Science” (7)

    Astronomers have made experiments with pendulums which have been suspended from the interior of high buildings, and have exulted over the idea of being able to prove the rotation of the Earth on its ‘axis,’ by the varying direction taken by the pendulum over a prepared table underneath - asserting that the table moved round under the pendulum, instead of the pendulum shifting and oscillating in different directions over the table! But, since it has been found that, as often as not, the pendulum went round the wrong way for the ‘rotation’ theory, chagrin has taken the place of exultation, and we have a proof of the failure of astronomers in their efforts to substantiate their theory.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (73)


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    To begin with, Foucault’s pendulums do not uniformly swing in any one direction. Sometimes they rotate clockwise and sometimes counter-clockwise, sometimes they fail to rotate and sometimes they rotate far too much. Scientists who have repeated variations of the experiment have conceded time and again that “it was difficult to avoid giving the pendulum some slight lateral bias at starting.” The behavior of the pendulum actually depends on 1) the initial force beginning its swing and, 2) the ball-and-socket joint used which most-readily facilitates circular motion over any other. The supposed rotation of the Earth is completely inconsequential and irrelevant to the pendulum’s swing. If the alleged constant rotation of the Earth affected pendulums in any way, then there should be no need to manually start pendulums in motion! If the Earth’s diurnal rotation caused the 360 degree uniform diurnal rotation of pendulums, then there should not exist a stationary pendulum anywhere on Earth!

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    First, when a pendulum, constructed according to the plan of M. Foucault, is allowed to vibrate, its plane of vibration is often variable - not always. The variation when it does occur, is not uniform - is not always the same in the same place; nor always the same either in its rate or velocity, or in its direction. It cannot therefore be taken as evidence; for that which is inconstant cannot be used in favor of or against any given proposition. It therefore is not evidence and proves nothing! Secondly, if the plane of vibration is observed to change, where is the connection between such change and the supposed motion of the Earth? What principle of reasoning guides the experimenter to the conclusion that it is the Earth which moves underneath the pendulum, and not the pendulum which moves over the Earth? What logical right or necessity forces one conclusion in preference to the other? Thirdly, why was not the peculiar arrangement of the point of suspension of the pendulum specially considered, in regard to its possible influence upon the plane of oscillation? Was it not known, or was it overlooked, or was it, in the climax of theoretical revelry, ignored that a ‘ball-and-socket’ joint is one which facilitates circular motion more readily than any other?” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (153)

    We believe, with all due deference to the pendulum, and its proprietor, that it proves nothing but the craftiness of the inventor; and we can only describe the show and showman as deceptions. A thing so childish as this ‘pendulum proof’ that it can only be described as one of the most simple and ridiculous attempts to gull the public that has ever been conceived. It has been said that the pendulum experiment proves the rotation of the earth, but this is quite impossible, for one pendulum turns one way; and sometimes, another pendulum turns in the opposite direction. Now we ask does the earth rotate in opposite directions at different places at one and the same time? We should like to know. Perhaps the experimenters will kindly enlighten us on this point … If the earth had the terrible motions attributed to it, there would be some sensible effects of such motions. But we neither feel the motion, see it, nor hear it. And how people can stand watching the pendulum vibrate, and think that they are seeing a proof of the motions of the earth, almost passes comprehension. They are, however, brought up to believe it, and it is thought to be ‘scientific’ to believe what the astronomers teach.” -Lady Blount, “The Romance of Science” (8-10)

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    Also in the mid-19th century, another Frenchman named Gaspard-Gustave Coriolis performed several experiments showing the effect of kinetic energy on rotating systems, which have ever since become mythologized as proof of the heliocentric theory. The “Coriolis Effect” is often said to cause sinks and toilet bowls in the Northern Hemisphere to drain spinning in one direction while in the Southern Hemisphere causing them to spin the opposite way, thus providing proof of the spinning ball-Earth. Once again, however, just like Foucault’s Pendulums spinning either which way, sinks and toilets in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres do not consistently spin in any one direction! Sinks and toilets in the very same household are often found to spin opposite directions, depending entirely upon the shape of the basin and the angle of the water’s entry, not the supposed rotation of the Earth.

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    While the premise makes sense - that the earth’s eastward spin would cause the water in a toilet bowl to spin as well - in reality, the force and speed at which the water enters and leaves the receptacle is much too great to be influenced by something as miniscule as a single, 360-degree turn over the span of a day. When all is said and done, the Coriolis effect plays no larger role in toilet flushes than it does in the revolution of CDs in your stereo. The things that really determine the direction in which water leaves your toilet or sink are the shape of the bowl and the angle at which the liquid initially enters that bowl.” -Jennifer Horton, “Does the Rotation of the Earth Affect Toilets and Baseball Games?” Science.HowStuffWorks.com

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    The Coriolis Effect is also said to affect bullet trajectories and weather patterns as well, supposedly causing most storms in the Northern Hemisphere to rotate counter-clockwise, and most storms in the Southern Hemisphere to rotate clockwise, to cause bullets from long range guns to tend towards the right of the target in the Northern Hemisphere and to the left in the Southern Hemisphere. Again, however, the same problems remain. Not every bullet and not every storm consistently displays the behavior and therefore cannot reasonably be used as proof of anything. What about the precision of the sight aperture, human error, and wind? What about Michelson-Morley-Gale’s proven motion of the aether’s potential effect? Why does the Coriolis Effect affect most storms but not all? If some storms rotate clockwise in the North and counter-clockwise in the South, how do those storms escape the Coriolis force? And if the entire Earth’s spin is uniform, why should the two hemispheres be affected any differently? Coriolis’s Effect and Foucault’s Pendulum are both said to prove the Earth moves beneath our feet, but in reality only prove how easy it can be for wolves in sheep’s clothing to pull the wool over our eyes.
     
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    The last image you gave me, I put in photoforensics and posted it here for you to see. If you still want to "believe" the photo is real, you go right ahead. It's as fake as a 3 dollar bill. Even the website says that. I think it's funny how you lack the discernment to see the lie.
     
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    Their moral short comings is a religion, it is a belief. There is no way around it, all we have is our own individual beliefs, which is no different than a religion. Where one thinks he is correct, the other thinks he's wrong.
     
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    None of those " photoforensics " [roved it was fake all they did was break down gthe pixels some which can be done to any photograph and therefore proves NOTHING.

    That is fact.

    You have never provided a shred of evidence of any kind that they are fake.

    they are proven real and you are lying because you KNOW they are real.

    The website says no ****ing thing and you are lying about that as well.

    the photographs prove you wrong they are real and you know it
     
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    Yes, not believing in God is a religion. The only place it is not, is by definition. But the results and actions of those people, is no different than a religion.
     
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    Beliefs are far different from religion.

    Religion is based on faith whereas belief may or may not be,.

    You have only a twisted and dishonest belief based on lies and willful denial of evidence and proof
     
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    No it is not a religion it is an intelligent conclusion.

    Not believing is not a religion just as not playing basketball is not a sport.
     
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    The number of experts in science that it would take to promote a globular earth, when indeed the earth was flat, and for hundreds of years, is all one needs to consider. It is simply impossible that so many, for so long, would lie to humanity. And yet this is what the flat earth crowd refuse to accept, the tremendous size of such a conspiracy. It simply could not happen, especially when anyone who was an actual scientist could prove the earth was flat, and the financial reward for doing so. Since there are no takers, who want fame and fortune this only enforces that our earth is a globe.

    To argue the details with the flat earth crowd is fruitless, for they will invent another conspiracy so their ill founded beliefs remain intact. This is a case for the shrinks, and not hard science. For hard science yielded an earth which is a globe.
     
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    No, only those with a need to know basis would know. People at mission control are just doing what has been programmed in a computer, they don't need to know. The only ones that need to know, is the director of every space agency, and the astronauts. And they do know. Everybody is just doing their job, the people at mission control, do not have to know what those are doing building the rocket, and so on.

    Even if what your saying is taking place and they all know, 19 billion a year nobody is going to say anything, and they will protect the lie to the fullest extremes.

    19 billion a year to give you Shrek type cartoon graphic images, and you believe they're real. That's hilarious!!!

    Let me guess, you think this is real?

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    That is your "belief"!
     
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    I've been to the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC twice and saw their Foucault pendulum, observing it advance CW for myself. I think every state in the US has one where you can do the same, and quiz the staff on the details. I doubt you're brave enough to do that.

    Here's another simple experiment you won't duplicate. This guy sees a ship from his 6th floor window, goes down to the beach where it's almost over the horizon and barely visible, but back in his room the ship is fully seen again. The first two minutes of the video is a summary, the rest shows what he did in a long single camera shot. This is an excellent example of Earth's curve.
     
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    How would I know that this is real? What I do know is real is the math, which evidences what the earth is, a globe. And the fact the globe has been circumnavigated so many times. Either by going east or west. Of course, then the navigator, must be in on it, right? LOL Every navigator from the time of Magellan until today. That dog won't hunt and you should know it. SO, give me another conspiracy theory to dodge this. As I told you prior, you could be taken high enough to see the globe and you would not believe your own eyes. You would have to invent another conspiracy theory. So, you would never accept proof which disagrees with this belief you have. Face it, own it and perhaps you can heal your mind?
     

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