Why would I worship and love a "God" who ordered infanticide?

The irony here is that it took humanity not that long to discover what fatherless children, raised in poverty, and no supervision creates within the society, but it took only a movement to destroy thousands of years of the most basic common sense. LOL.

This shows that great human intelligence, can be usurped by a movement, such as the one you mentioned. That movement went too far, and it has wrought such great destruction, and created huge problems in our inner cities, and has even moved outside of those areas, as it became cool to have kids without a two parent home, and what that provides for our new additions to humanity.

 

Oh so you do not mean that the Hebrews were bad but only the Hebrews and participated in those bad things were bad. Right?

 

Yah gave them a command. if they refuse they reject Yah.

 

Or men who claimed to be speaking for God did. Given Jesus' description of God and his willingness to point out the false teaching from the it makes me think that's likely.

And you ignored the point. You say Hebrews but many Hebrews were born after those things happen. So clearly they couldn't be held responsible right?

 

Right. People are individuals. Stories like the one in 1 Samuel 15 rely on the Biblical concept of "corporate guilt" -- where sin and punishment is a group activity, rather than sins and punishment belonging to the individual who committed the crime. It is a mockery of the concept of justice. Likewise, holding all Hebrews responsible would be messed up.

 

your second point conflates your initial point which gives you two opposing standpoints. that aside, im not going to begin questioning the most high as that leads to selective judgments or interpretation. im just going to go all in.

 

We killed lots of infants at Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If we had a right to defend ourselves so did ancient Israel.

Can I assume you're pro-life?

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Exactly, no amount of government spending will fix this.

 

Yes, the United States is just as bad. We committed acts of genocide and terrorism throughout of history. They have proven themselves in the past to be willing to lower themselves to the level of their enemies.

 

The only sense the US is just as bad is our murder of 50,000,000 unborn infants through abortion.

 

AND....

The slaughter of thousands of women and children and old people during our wars with the Native Americans (look up the masacre at Wounded Knee Creek, where hundreds of civilians were lined up and executed by the US Calvary. The Calvary claimed they were attacked, and the government believed them, but witnesses, including Americans, and evidence point to a purposeful execution of women and children.)

Our use of biological warfare against the Native Americans (giving them blankets infected with smallpox, and other diseases, as a false sign of peace during the winter to kill off their populations)

Our purposeful attacks on civilians and the burning of farms, homes, and towns during the civil war. (Sherman was a filthy coward, who was more at home shooting unarmed civilians then he was fighting in battle)

Our use of atomic weapons specifically to kill civilians to cause terror and demoralize the Japanese people. (the very definition of terrorism)

 

It's ironic the people who claim a woman has a right to do 'with her own body' what she wants but deny God the right to do with His creation what He wills.

Wounded Knee was bad, but what's your point? Why don't you move, and why are so many breaking their necks to come to the US?

There's a reason they called them 'savages': http://www.reclinercommentaries.com/2011/04/fate-worse-than-death.html

Cite?

The nukes saved millions of lives, both US and Japanese, by shortening the war. There were some in the Japanese military who wanted to keep fighting even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

God might well have agreed with Truman on this, because he lead Truman to agree to establish Israel again, a land he was long jealous for:

Zech 8:1 Again the word of the Lord of hosts came to me, saying,

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury.

3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.

 

God is Reality since His son is Truth.

The Truth is that God kills us all.
But that is just our first death.

He brings us all back again, genetically, reproducing us for another life.
That is, if He doesn't exterminate the whole species by Extinction.


Revelation 21:4-5
And God, (blessing them with Total Phylogenetic Consciousness: [Carl Jung]), shall wipe away, (in their awakened Unconscious Mind: [Freudian Hypothesis]), all tears from their eyes, (for life is a genetically rememberable continuum from one generation to the next living generation); and (in genetic memories of prior existences held in our Unconscious Mind) there shall be no more death... (for we shall not all "sleep:" [1Co15:51], but total phylogenetic Consciousness will have evolved), ... neither sorrow... (for we, individually, are part of a living continuum of our own past(s), flowers upon our genetic vine),... nor crying,... (for we are happy in these revelations of reconstitution from our human gene pool), neither shall there be any more pain... (as is circumvented by hypnosis even today): for the former things (in Modern Homo sapiens paradigm of the life experience) are passed away.
And He, (the ancient, phylogenetic, Collective Unconscious Mind), that sat upon the throne (within the kingdom of the evolving Homoiousian sapiens' brain: [Luke 17:21]) said, Behold, (in this way, through evolution: [Gen 9:11-18]), I make all things (in human experience) new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true, (rational, and scientifically feasible), and (worthy of) faithful (belief).

 

So how does verse say that HARRY TRUMAN or the US literally received a commandment from God to use nukes!? As opposed to Israel engineering the wholesale slaughter of Amalekites, specifically infants. I also don't see the correlation between the agreement to set up Israel and nuking the japanese.

 

President Truman was honored at the Jewish Theological Seminary.
One of Truman's friends introduced him to the professors as "the man who helped create the State of Israel."

Truman said,...
"What do you mean 'helped to create' (Israel)?
I am Cyrus. I am Cyrus."


Bush, in this Information Age, is under the influence of a subconscious, but fully awakened Harmony Principle.

Rev. 10:7 But in the days of (Christian Humanitarism: [Rev 3:14]) the voice of the seventh angel, (the spirit of human Harmony), when he, (that awakening subconscious apparatus of mind), shall begin to sound (consciously in the thoughts of men), the MYSTERY of God, (the hidden manna: [Rev 2:17]), should be finished, as he hath informed his servants the prophets (as recorded in scripture: [Dan 12:4).

 

Read Truman's anguished letters to Eleanor Roosevelt.. He despaired that the "bullied" had themselves become bullies.

 

Yes...when we don't agree with our country's historical past the logical conclusion is to leave said country. You may perceive it as an affront to american exceptional ism and expansionist myth, but there was a time in American history when not a single white Anglo-Saxon Protestant was present on the continent.

And I don't believe Native Americans called themselves savages, and I certainly wouldn't use that epithet to describe them either. Why don't you try it sometime, and see what kind of response you receive??

 

Too many epic tales in the Bible begin with the slaughter of innocents.

 

The simple point is and both sides can agree I think: humanity has a savage side especially if said humans are pushed into a corner like an animal.

That said wouldn't a moral, good, just and all-everything divine being be above that by at least an example and with clear language as to what not to do like commit atrocities, keep slaves, make war as justly as possible and take a moral high ground. Even in WW2 our troops as a norm didn't go through whole towns slaughtering everyone and warned the enemy enough as to intent to think hard about putting civilians in harms way, you would think after we firebombed a city for the first time they would move their civilians out of the industrial and military vital areas since its clear what we were going to do. And I'm sorry what kind of screwed up government would see a nuke go off and even think about fighting on when they have no defense. Then we dropped the second and many still wanted to fight on. They were insane at some point if Germany had atomic rockets we would be forced to surrender just to spare our people.

So I would argue god in this case was immoral since he was willingly going along with humans basest natures, in fact more so he had other options being all-powerful and such to saying slaughter them all through a prophet or judge and it wasn't his will could have punished the Hebrews and made it clear doing that was wrong.

 

As usual, you make more sense than god/Jesus do.

 

Jesus studied and taught from the Torah, too bad he wasn't moral enough to condemn his psycho "father" for the slaughter of innocents, instead this sick puppy allegedly is now sitting "at the right hand" of this sick father (Luke 22:69.). Like father, like son, I guess. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.

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Jesus, your dad is one sick, warped piece of crap.

 

But moral people reject immoral commands....the heroes in the Bible were not moral, period.

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Like Jesus sending all, say Buddhists, to hell. Jesus, you are a sicko.

 

That's what lead people to keep slavery going for many many centuries....if god/Jesus approve of it then it MUST be ok, right? Your thinking is dangerous. Think for yourself, don't let somebody's invisible friend in the sky think for you.
http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

 

Too bad Jesus isn't actual real, or isn't actually very caring, or of course he'd come down every decade or so and explain this stuff to us. As it stands, we look like fools trying to determine what the HELL he actually said/meant. But he's either not real or he's not very caring so we continue to struggle with these problems that the all-powerful (allegedly) Jesus could easily help solve - at least the communication part - still wouldn't mean we'd correctly follow it, just that he's a lousy communicator.

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Correct. That's why I stopped worshipping the invisible friend of people that were no better than Nazis. Makes sense, no!?

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If only there was an all-knowing magic man who cared enough about us to clear this all up for us! If only!

 

Belief in magic invisible men in the sky takes people away from belief in science, and replaces it with a belief that magic is real, and warps their sense of cause and effect ("god did it", rather than looking for a scientific explanation)....so I DO have a beef with any "god". I do also have a "beef" with the Hindu god, but that really pisses him off, for some reason.