Why would you want to force someone to have a kid? The sane person asks

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Quote Originally Posted by tkolter View Post

As an Atheist Pro-Life person I treat the unborn as a valuable national commodity a labor unit who will more likely than not add to the nations labor force, and barring forced sex (incest by coercion or force and rape) or to spare the life of the mother as the existing productive unit being at risk pregnancy is largely preventable with the regular use of birth control and/or abstaining from the sexual act especially when pregnancy would be undesired (single woman, low income or other issues). So I would argue taking the work unit out of action for the selfish desires of the mother who ,barring the issues I noted, could have avoided the pregnancy is a loss to the nation. And there is always a chance the future working unit might be of unusually high value to society developing achievements of value far over many others put together"""""""

 

The UVVA merely points out that they are human beings, SPECIFICALLY! IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS. There is no room for debate here. YOU ARE COMPLETELY AND OBVIOUSLY WRONG!!!!!!

For the last time, read the freakin law man!

Self defense is a laughable excuse to kill a defenseless child in utero.

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WRONG! No non person can be protected against homicide. There is an obvious conflict inn logic between Roe V Wade and the UVVA!

 

What is the conflict? One says that an unborn has no right to life but the other says that the unborn has a right to not be killed by a person that is not the mother. Logical.

 

Why do you ASSume that all women who abort are promiscuous? BTW, a woman can have sex with her knees together - it's quite enjoyable.

 

Why do you think that is logical? Why would a mother be able to kill child at will, but anyone else is prohibited from doing so?

 

Because it is HER body and HER fetus( there is NO child involved in abortion, not legally, not scientifically) ....it is NOT YOURS nor anyone else's

 

There absolutely and undeniably is a child involved, a human fetus is a child. You can claim otherwise all you want, but a human fetus is a human child, period!

 

Because it is HER body and HER fetus( there is NO child involved in abortion, not legally, not scientifically) ....it is NOT YOURS nor anyone else's


...and YOUR OPINION just doesn't matter to anyone else ....

 

Obviously, judging by the number of likes I am racking up, it is your opinion that doesn't matter to anyone else, but bark on moondoggy.

 

You have likes !???

Anyway the law trumps your opinion..and the majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal and women, who outnumber men, will always have abortions if they want one ....so your opinion, and the opinion of those invisible "likes" , does not matter

 

We will see, you are justified in your obvious unrest on the subject. Maybe the SCOTUS will come to its senses.

 

Only if the Constitution changes:


You have likes !???

Anyway the law trumps your opinion..and the majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal and women, who outnumber men, will always have abortions if they want one ....so your opinion, and the opinion of those invisible "likes" , does not matter

 

nope, the constitution didn't change when the court decided to make abortion homicide legal! epic fail!!!!!

 

Alternative facts!

 

Simply untrue!!!!!

Read the Federal Law the UVVA a 2004 law that proves you WRONG!!!!

118 STAT. 568 PUBLIC LAW 108–212—APR. 1, 2004
Apr. 1, 2004
[H.R. 1997]
Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004.
18 USC 1841 note.
To amend title 18, United States Code, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice to protect unborn children from assault and murder, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004’’ or ‘‘Laci and Conner’s Law’’.
SEC. 2. PROTECTION OF UNBORN CHILDREN.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after chapter 90 the following:
‘‘CHAPTER 90A—PROTECTION OF UNBORN CHILDREN
‘‘Sec.
‘‘1841. Protection of unborn children.
‘‘§ 1841. Protection of unborn children
‘‘(a)(1) Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section.
‘‘(2)(A) Except as otherwise provided in this paragraph, the punishment for that separate offense is the same as the punishment provided under Federal law for that conduct had that injury or death occurred to the unborn child’s mother.
‘‘(B) An offense under this section does not require proof that— ‘‘(i) the person engaging in the conduct had knowledge or should have had knowledge that the victim of the underlying
offense was pregnant; or
‘‘(ii) the defendant intended to cause the death of, or bodily
injury to, the unborn child.
‘‘(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111, 1112, and 1113 of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.
‘‘(D) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the death penalty shall not be imposed for an offense under this section. ‘‘(b) The provisions referred to in subsection (a) are the fol-
lowing:
‘‘(1) Sections 36, 37, 43, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 229,
242, 245, 247, 248, 351, 831, 844(d), (f), (h)(1), and (i), 924(j),
Public Law 108–212 108th Congress
An Act
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PUBLIC LAW 108–212—APR. 1, 2004 118 STAT. 569
930, 1111, 1112, 1113, 1114, 1116, 1118, 1119, 1120, 1121, 1153(a), 1201(a), 1203, 1365(a), 1501, 1503, 1505, 1512, 1513, 1751, 1864, 1951, 1952 (a)(1)(B), (a)(2)(B), and (a)(3)(B), 1958, 1959, 1992, 2113, 2114, 2116, 2118, 2119, 2191, 2231, 2241(a), 2245, 2261, 2261A, 2280, 2281, 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2340A, and 2441 of this title.
‘‘(2) Section 408(e) of the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 848(e)).
‘‘(3) Section 202 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 (42 U.S.C. 2283).
‘‘(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
‘‘(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person author- ized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
‘‘(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
‘‘(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.
‘‘(d) As used in this section, the term ‘unborn child’ means a child in utero, and the term ‘child in utero’ or ‘child, who is in utero’ means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any
stage of development, who is carried in the womb.’’.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of chapters for part I
of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to chapter 90 the following new item:
‘‘90A. Protection of unborn children .............................................................. 1841’’. SEC. 3. MILITARY JUSTICE SYSTEM.
(a) PROTECTION OF UNBORN CHILDREN.—Subchapter X of chapter 47 of title 10, United States Code (the Uniform Code of Military Justice), is amended by inserting after section 919 (article 119) the following new section:
‘‘§ 919a. Art. 119a. Death or injury of an unborn child
‘‘(a)(1) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in con- duct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of title 1 to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section and shall, upon conviction, be punished by such punish- ment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct, which shall be consistent with the punishments prescribed by the President for that conduct had that injury or death occurred to the unborn child’s mother.
‘‘(2) An offense under this section does not require proof that— ‘‘(i) the person engaging in the conduct had knowledge or should have had knowledge that the victim of the underlying
offense was pregnant; or
‘‘(ii) the accused intended to cause the death of, or bodily
injury to, the unborn child.
‘‘(3) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall, instead of being punished under paragraph (1), be punished as provided under sections 880, 918, and 919(a) of this title (articles 80, 118, and 119(a)) for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.
118 STAT. 570 PUBLIC LAW 108–212—APR. 1, 2004
‘‘(4) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the death penalty shall not be imposed for an offense under this section. ‘‘(b) The provisions referred to in subsection (a) are sections 918, 919(a), 919(b)(2), 920(a), 922, 924, 926, and 928 of this title (articles 118, 119(a), 119(b)(2), 120(a), 122, 124, 126, and 12. ‘‘(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the
prosecution—
‘‘(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for
which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person author- ized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
‘‘(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
‘‘(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.
‘‘(d) In this section, the term ‘unborn child’ means a child in utero, and the term ‘child in utero’ or ‘child, who is in utero’ means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of
development, who is carried in the womb.’’.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections at the begin-
ning of such subchapter is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 919 the following new item:
‘‘919a. 119a. Death or injury of an unborn child.’’. Approved April 1, 2004.
LEGISLATIVE HISTORY—H.R. 1997 (S. 1019):
HOUSE REPORTS: No. 108–420, Pt. 1 (Comm. on the Judiciary). CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 150 (2004):
Feb. 26, considered and passed House.
Mar. 25, considered and passed Senate.
WEEKLY COMPILATION OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS, Vol. 40 (2004):
Apr. 1, Presidential remarks.
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there is NO child involved in abortion, not legally, not scientifically)

 

If you read the law quoted directly above your silly response, you would see how completely wrong you are! LITERALLY!

 

If there is a child it's legal to kill it. Flush away

 

Because it resides within her body...

 

SO? I don't understand why that is a deciding factor. did it sneak in there with her having no notice whatsoever? Of course not.

 

I'm more concerned with people actually having kids, like why should Jeffrey Dahmer pass down his genes?

 

It doesn't matter how it "got there"...it's still her body NOT yours.....

But your comment is just another way of saying, "she had sex, she must be punished".

 

She had sex and got pregnant and wants to abort the pregnancy that will kill a very small under-developed human with no chance of survival without her help... so what? That is her right. That is my answer. More question will not help. She can kill it with remorse or with glee for all I care.

 

Nope, the child in utero will grow and prosper without her interference. That is the reality. Nobody should have the right to commit homicide just because he/she wants to.

 

But women do ...whatever YOU call abortion women still have the right to have one