Will a future Republican President reverse this...or let it stand?

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  1. migueldarican

    migueldarican New Member

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    Sort of but not quite like the benefits card at grocery stores. Customers that have the benefits card get awards like cheaper gas, and sale prices, and extra off their subtotal when they buy a certain ammount. And the customer that doesn't have the benefits card, complains about not getting those benefits. If you don't have the card you don't get the benefits. It's that simple.

    If you don't get married, you don't get the marriage benefits. If you're against that, fine. But most find it pretty fair. So... sorry...
     
  2. Lil Mike

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    If I read that article correctly, the current Democratic administration if reviewing benefits to same sex unmarried couples. So that will probably be removed before there is another Republican President, assuming there ever is one.
     
  3. Gorn Captain

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    True...like the racists....the homophobes are going to be eliminated by the aging process. The few younger ones will find themselves increasingly isolated and forced to spout their bigotry as anonymous bloggers.

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    So you think the Obama Administration will STOP same sex couple benefits in the military???
     
  4. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Why don't you tell me? You posted an article about cuts to unmarried same sex couples that are being considered now, not when some future hypothetical Republican President is in power. If this wasn't about the current Democratic administration than why did you even post it?
     
  5. Goldwater

    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That would be the question...another Republican President.

    If the next Republican candidates stand in opposition to gay marrige, and call people like Sandra Fluke sluts...they won't win.

    There are reasons why the GOP has lost the popular vote in the last 5 out of 6 Presidential elections....and gerrymandering will only shore things up for so long.
     
  6. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    What a future Republican President thinks about gay marriage is irrelevant to the current President removing these benefits.


    At some point, you guys are going to have to accept the fact that you're in power and have been for quite a while. It's the darndest thing, you guys act like you are the minority party.
     
  7. Goldwater

    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You brought up future Republican presidents...:wink:

    I'm not a Democrat, and didn't vote for Obama.

    So I'm not a "you guys"
     
  8. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I direct your attention to the title of this thread.


    Sorry. So that makes you a generic leftist who disdains support of an actual leftist President in office but who supports most of his actions totally by coincidence.


    Keep your independence!
     
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    No...that's the assumption made by people who have become convinced you must hate Obama to be a conservative.

    What I am is a fiscal conservative and social libertarian...who happens supports some of Obama's actions, and as I said above...it appears some think you have to hate all of Obama's actions, and hate him...in order to NOT be a *******.

    The only thing I disagree with more than a big spending liberal, is an evangelical conservative. So in terms of my criticism lately, squeeky wheel get's the grease. The actions of conservative evangelicals deserve less support than the actions of Obama.
     
  10. Colombine

    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Much as I'm a supporter of same-sex marriage, I think it's consistent not to extend benefits to non-married couples at this time. However if the couple marry in a place where it is legally recognized, that should be enough to extend any Federal benefits even if the marriage is not recognized in their state of residency. I think you entertain quagmire if you say heterosexual couples have to be married while homosexual couples do not. Maybe they can even marry on base?

    And no, I don't think a future Republican President will ever reverse this. There's just no political capital in doing so and that statement becomes truer with every passing day.
     
  11. Gorn Captain

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    So the Obama Administration opposes gay rights?!?!?!?!?
     
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    Ironic given the "Defund or shutdown the Govt" plan of Ted Cruz....a guy in the MINORITY in the Senate, asking the GOP which only controls 1/2 of 1/3 of the US Government....to act like THEY are in charge and demand the Senate and President acede to their demands.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    I'm not sure what hating or not hating Obama has to do with anything. What point were you trying to make with that statement? It seemed like it just came out of left (snicker!) field.

    That "fiscal conservative and social libertarian" canard is mostly nonsense. It may apply to a few libertarians but it doesn't really apply to anyone on the left since lefty hopes and dreams are based on having a golden goose, not on maintaining balanced budgets and limiting the growth of spending. Nice try though. "Fiscal conservative!" Yeah sure!

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    Wow you are really confused. I don't think you really read the article.
     
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    Not everyone who supports gay rights and marriage equality is on the "left." There is nothing nonsensical about valuing less government intrusion in both the economy and people's personal lives.
     
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    There is a short list of terms...when used by people I'm writing to...that cause my eyes to glaze over in dissapointment, and turn right off.

    The worst is people who say "the Democrat Party"....the second worst is the word "canard"., followed closely by "straw man"
     
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    Wow- what an insightful, well-written post. :roll:

    You really think the world is that black and white? Sorry, it's not. People have all sorts of things they agree or disagree with on both sides of the aisle. If you don't know that by now, you might never figure it out.
     
  17. Lil Mike

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    That's actually a good reply when you don't have a reasoned response. Congrats! and keep on glazing!
     
  18. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the world is that black or white, but I also don't believe Goldwater is "fiscal conservative and social libertarian."
     
  19. Goldwater

    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And that's yet another cliche eye glazer.

    The olde implied capitulation schtick, whereby some use it to try and bait people into continuing, but glazed over eyes don't focus well...so.....:blankstare:
     
  20. Goldwater

    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not fallin for that either.....

    You know, maybe I've been doing this too long.

    After you see everything 20 times and nothing new in months, it might be time to move on. Maybe find something else to do in down times at work. I dunno.
     
  21. leekohler2

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    Why is that? What has he said to make you believe that?
     
  22. Gorn Captain

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    The "fer me or agin me" view of many rightwingers is promoted by Talk Radio. It helps with " group think" and "group cohesion" and the Orwellian ideas of "shared victories".

    You can't have a libertarian come out and talk about how abortion and gay rights opposition hurts the GOP....without declaring that person a "phony" and "just another liberal", even if they are a "Cut Government back to the 1890s levels" fiscal conservative....or else the Religious Right suddenly feels put-upon by "it's own side" and the cohesion is lost.
     
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    People who are "Fiscal conservatives/ Socially Liberal" are generally Libertarians. Goldwater isn't a Libertarian, he's a liberal. Every fiscally conservative liberal I've come across has turned out not to really be fiscally conservative when you dig a little bit, since their ideology requires that everyone get more out of the state than they put in, which is a recipe for chasing continuously higher deficits. Now I could ask him a whole bunch of questions and gradually get to the truth that he's trying to avoid, but why bother? I've seen this before, done it before, and know how it's going to end.
     
  25. leekohler2

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    Might I ask which state you live in?
     

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