Will Hillary Clinton Be Charged With Perjury?

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Had you read the links you'd see she's already agreed to testify but, again, she denies there was any wrongdoing. This seems to be the only reason she hasn't been called , despite the earlier charges.

    Given that there was no reason for this investigation, that it has gone nowhere as far as the Trump campaign goes, and has cost many millions of dollars, how patient do you intend to be? Do you want give this squad of ambulance chasers a lifetime gig?
     
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    Yeah, sure. Just adoption matters. Or was it dirt on Hillary or the one Hope Hicks helped Spanky write.
    Actually the emails speak pretty well for themselves.
    I think Mueller will interview everyone in that meeting if he can, including all the Russians.
    I think he has had a short chat with Jared, but not yet with Jr. or Manafort if he eventually flips.
    I'll wait until about 2020 if needed.
     
  3. primate

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    And how will he enforce a subpoena in Russia? He can keep the Russian principles out of the US. I doubt he can get them extradited even by a European country.

    With the knowledge there was no vetting of the dossier or anything else, we now know there was no intelligence leading to a necessary investigation. The appointment of a special counsel by law requires evidence of a crime or very good probable cause being you are accusing the President of the US of criminal conduct. Comey and McCabe knew from the very beginning there wasn't the necessary level of probable cause especially considering the dossier had not been vetted.

    This has been a concocted story from the beginning and Comey knew it and I imagine the head of the DOJ. In fact, there is some evidence via email this all originated in the White House with Clapper directing Comey to set the hook.

    Now McCabe will be indicted for several felonious crimes and it appears Comey is at the very least guilty of espionage via leaking classified material (he classified it himself then leaked it). It doesn't matter if was classified to begin with anyway although the statute and penalties are different. But you cannot leak any information. I expect them to flip McCabe and get him to sing. And I expect this to lead to the former AG and probably Clapper at the least. Not sure how far they want to go. I doubt they go after Obama even though he knew about Hiliary's server and sent her classified material.

    Hiliary is guilty of the same statute as Comey and a good deal more. The evidence is there. Several immunities have been violated repealing them. So some of her staff are on the hook as well.

    I can't tell you what will happen as I don't know if the defense can move to dismiss the special counsel on the basis of it not being initiated properly. Nor can I tell you what will happen to Flynn et al but the fruit comes from a poison tree.

    As an independent, all I'm interested in is justice for all. We cannot have laws for the common folk and a different set for others. Until this is addressed the public will never have confidence in the FBI or the DOJ.

    BTW, Sessions and Rosenstein need to resign.

    I don't expect progressives to agree to any of this but the truth will come out.
     
  4. Hotdogr

    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First I've heard of this. Can you corroborate this with a credible link?

    Deleted files cannot generally be recovered from an image of a system, or a physical system that has been ''scrubbed" to clear and overwrite free space.

    We know that IT staffers for the DNC used bleachbit to scrub their systems.

    If such an operation were performed on that server after the hack, then any evidence of the hack to be gained from deleted files would have been destroyed.

    And so, unless access to the physical system was granted before it was modified in any way by its owners, as it should have been, it would probably not have yeilded anything more useful than an image.

    SOP for any physical system that is suspected of being hacked ought to be to immediately remove it from the network and power it off to mitigate the intrusion, and preserve it's state for forensic analysis.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ...............HILLARY..................
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Jebus H. Chrysanthemum what do you bloody fracking WANT as evidence? If Trump himself were to come out and publicly state that he had threatened every election official in the country with Spetsnaz killers if they didn't alter the election in his favor you'd probably say the confession was worthless because it wasn't notarized and what about these parking tickets Hillary got in 1974.

    Face facts guys, Mueller has shown that his investigations are air TIGHT and so what he's let out is just the tip of the iceberg, and the entirety of that berg is going to drop right on Trumps pointy orange head very soon. Your boy is about the dirtiest criminal that has ever occupied ANY office in America, let alone the Presidency and he's going DOWN for it. And the Republican Party will NEVER live down the shame and disgrace they have visited on us

    Get ready for a long political night fellas. If I were a GOP pol I would be polishing up my resume and maybe even looking at conditions in other nations right now. Republican is going to be a word we frighten children with.
     
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    Multiple Dems like Feinstein have admitted there is no evidence of 'collusion' between the Russians and the Trump campaign now administration. If you have proof then let's see it. Until then stop demagoguing and spewing untruths about it. Most everyone else has moved on and the Dems are looking at anything and everything they can to screw Trump. Nothing Mueller has done including three arrests have anything to do with Russia. Do you think most people are just going to believe it because you keep repeating it? It is to generate interests with the morons and keep them ginned up as well as trying to generate money.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Yeh, right sure, The God-Emperor can truly do NO wrong. None that his slavishly devoted followers can see anyway. It's like the song says. "I know that the hypnotized never lie"
     
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    But there is not a shred of evidence that this is true. How does it become obvious.

    Also not true. Nobody wants to hang Hillary for sending birthday cards.

    Again, not true. I would love to see us return to the America in which I grew up. I agree with your assessment of it. It is the present that troubles me.

    The wild fluke was an election, one of those things your ancestors fought and died for. If you are sick you should visit a doctor.
     
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    Amazing to see how easily people can be lead to believe anything.
     
  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, there are still people who believe that Trump and Putin did not collude to steal the 2016 election if you can credit that
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    There is more than enough evidence to merit having a trial. it would be underway already if partisan Republican lickspittles did not control Congress

    What you do want to do it for is nearly as trivial

    Agreed.

    It was undoubtedly a valid election but also a wild fluke. It is becoming increasingly unlikely to happen again and I believe steps may be taken to ensure it is not repeated in the future. I don't believe my ancestors would have fought and died to see several million people disenfranchised by a statistical oddity and that is unquestionably what happened. All the elections in the world cannot alter or deny the fact that almost 3 millions more of the electorate voted for Clinton than did for Trump and most of them are increasingly angry over your continued attempt to claim a mandate on the basis of a technical loss. Then again most of US are over it. It is YOU who seem to have no other answer to your candidates continued blundering than "**** you, we won", which I have no doubt will be your main slogan in the 2019 campaign
     
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  14. El Kabosh

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    This reminds me of "Arkancide"...a term used in Clinton-era Arkansas, where a murder was made to look like a suicide, and where those performing autopsies checked first with a local Democratic Party official before declaring the medically determined cause of death!
     
  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I wonder how many hookers are buried in Mar-a-Lago. I have about a much evidence for that as you have for the above.
     
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    Yeah....but this is the first anyone has heard of hookers buried in Mar-a-Lago but the Arkancide story has been around a long time and not going any place.....see the difference?
     
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    That's because there is no evidence that shows otherwise. Did you have some?
     
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    Well, "progressives" aren't about to take responsibility for their own failures and then correct them. That would require humility and introspection on their part, which is why they can never admit they're wrong.

    So, instead of acknowledging that their bad ideas, bad policies and bad candidates are responsible for losing elections, they blame the Russians and any other scapegoat they can think of.

    Blame is better to give than receive. The myth of "progressive" infallibility must be maintained at all costs.
     
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    Congress cant put people on trial. I cant think of any evidence.
     
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    Congress uses "impeachment" to try people, it's a sham, rules of evidence don't apply and they can make up charges on the go.
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The story is older so that makes it true?
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    How much of a trial is any employee entitled to before being fired? You can be liable for damages for a wrongful termination but you can't be made to keep them on. Besides me and several million other Democrats nobody is saying we should send Trump to prison (yet) just that he should no longer be POTUS.
     
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  24. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    If our Congress full of Trumphumpers had done it's Constitutional duty they would have impeached Trump and thrown him out of office as unfit already. He would probably be on trial for treason right now using evidence that Mueller has not yet brought to light
     
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    Yours is not even a story at all...just wishful thinking from a deep-state coup-plotting mind...made-up at the spur of the moment for arguments sake, whereas 'Arkancide' is a shared belief with potential for being completely true.....see the difference?
     

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