Will near death experience accounts transform psychiatry and psychology?

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  1. DennisTate

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    Psychology Today has devoted more attention to this possibility over the past twenty five years than you might imagine.

    Bright Lights, Big Mystery | Psychology Today
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery?page=4

     
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    No, why would it? There's no mystery at all when it comes to semi-consciousness. We're given to experiencing all manner of hallucination-like events. The mind can be "altered" by lack of oxygen just as easily as it can be by opiates and hallucinogenics. And quite often there are opiates AND oxygen depletion involved in near death states.

    As much as some would to think the lights are 'real', they're only as real as the giant spiders you might see when partaking in LSD or similar.
     
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    Near death? Near death is not dead. The brain plays all kinds of tricks when traumatic subliminal events take place. Dying is death....that's why they call it dead.
     
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    Very interesting but maybe people who experienced near death just got scared #!*#less and started Paying Attention ....that would bring about changes.
     
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    People have no choice about being brought into this world.....nobody asked them. After they get here they have no choice but to die. What's so hard to understand about that?
     
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    This sounds more like psychology changing near-death experiences, moving away from pseudo-scientific presumptions of spiritual or divine influence towards recognising and investigating them as the mundane psychological experiences that they clearly are.
     
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    Who said I didn't understand that? I happen to agree.....
     
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    I guess the part about bringing about change fooled me.....I thought you might be a thumper.
     
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    Pardon the pun but, " god NO!" :)
     
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    LOL............................
     
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    JEEEZUS!!
     
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    So birthmarks or moles on the body of a child that seems to perfectly correspond with the wounds inflicted to the deceased person that they feel they once were is just their imagination?

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html#a03
    3. Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons
     
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    Zero of the people in the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research were near death but……… when regressed to what seemed to be a previous lifetime and taken to the day of their death….. they were able to go through the typical NDE account two decades before Dr Raymond Moody and Oprah made these accounts a part of our culture.


    http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html
     
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    Yes….. paying attention will certainly produce some positive changes in our lives!

    I personally am convinced though that the James Winnery research implies that there is something more to this…… that frankly……. scared me as well when I began to research these back in 1990.


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers06.html
     
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    This is exactly the polar opposite to what Helen Wambach Ph. D. found in the research that led to her shocking second book………. that was entirely about what people reported doing and researching and planning between one lifetime and their next one!

    http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html


    Two time near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown in one of his brushes with death that only the most courageous and philosophically advanced spiritual beings/ angels will VOLUNTEER to incarnate into the body of a child who is destined to be physically or mentally handicapped or suffer from a fatal childhood illness.
     
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    I agree, I just don't think it's anything "spiritual" , godly , occult, unworldly or the cause of enlightenment.......just plain old biology.
     
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    In one sense I kind of sort of agree with you………… All the events that we think of as miracles are actually the application of technology that we just don't comprehend yet.

    I love the explanation that near death experiencer Christian Andreason gave for the UFO phenomena:

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/


    The beings in the higher dimensions who are guiding world events know that this war in Israel would break out…. .and they gave us something pretty amazing to think about……..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIoHE6P8gOk
    ALL 6 VIDEOS - Temple Mount UFO OVNI Jerusalem, January 2011 PROOF
     
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    Interesting but the bolded I would eliminate:

    "What about beings from other planets, do you think they visit here?

    Yes I do. And I think those who have been permitted to cross over into our world have been doing so for a very long time now (for a very important purpose) as Divinely arranged by Heaven. Since my NDE, because of a few things I was shown, it is now my deep belief that some of the more phenomenal events depicted in the Old Testament (such as the Great flood of Noah, the parting of the Red Sea for Moses, the mass explosion of Sodom and Gomorrah, etc) are not only very true, but were moments in time which were orchestrated and performed by beings of a much higher order and intelligence than our ownwho may have volunteered their technology and understandings or even sent to help guide and shape a culture within humanity during a pressing time within its development and evolution." (Christian Andreason, chapter 2 of online book)""""


    I would change "are not only very true" to "could be true.
     
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    One of the scariest phenomena that I ran into as I read more and more about this is that the less than forty percent of volunteers in the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research who were men………. when regressed in time to several of what sure seemed to be past lives……… Fifty percent of the time saw themselves as women and were totally freaked out as they saw themselves….. for example…. dying during child birth.

    If these visions of past lives turn out to be true……… and a part of how all of us becomes more humble and compassionate toward others………. then one of the biggest favours that we could do for ourselves is to research this…… become informed….. and pass this on……. so that the guys of the year 2200 and 2300 C. E. and onward…… are scared to beat their wives into submission! (We could possible have an idealistic and overly enthusiastic moment sometime between this life and the next one…. and volunteer to come back as a woman)!!!??
     
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    After I read about God having a plan for the Gay Community…… I started to wonder…….OK….. what exactly is it that God plans to do through the Gay Community?

    (Christian Andreason)
    http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a11

    About a year ago……… about five years after first reading this and beginning to process this information….. it hit me that the Gay Community was going to have a tendency to be willing to accept the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research because it is proof that they are correct….. they are indeed born that way……. When we are a woman in one lifetime….. and a man in the next lifetime…….. and if we take less of the "water of forgetfulness" that causes us to almost completely forget past lives…….. then we would have an increased tendency to be homosexual.

    Once the Gay Community largely embraces the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research the world will be set up to become a much more compassionate place for everybody.
     
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    A good dose of Ketamine will give you an NDE and you can see Jesus and Grandma....and never have to have a life-threateninig condition.
     
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    Hey....you should pull that aluminum cap on a little tighter. That's just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. Nobody knows what happens after a person is dead. They know zilch, zero, nada. Any of those kooks remember having a long tail and swinging in the trees? Any UFO's landed in your back yard lately?

    As far as Gays.....they have been in every generation since the earliest recorded history of the human race. I'm sure nobody in their right mind would choose a lifestyle which would be persecuted and /or killed just for being that way so by default they are born that way.

    Leviticus 20:13
    "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
     
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    Finley99..... I truly thank you for this post because I can make a great deal of use of this by sending it to my friend who I am attempting to set up as the producer/ director of a series of documentary, reality and semi-reality film projects with the goal of saving or at least improving the lives of the two million Gay men who live in Uganda who are in real danger of being victims of a holocaust.


    .......
    http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1165
     
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    Gorn Captain........ from what I have read so far........ I believe that your post is basically one hundred percent correct.

    I suspect that you and I have came to very different conclusions as to what this means.....or implies for each of us..... but your post is extremely accurate!
     
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    I must admit that I did question whether or not to bold that heading...… but it was bolded in his online book so if you go to chapter 2 you actually would see those words in bold and therefore you could easily find what else he wrote on this topic.

    If you go to chapter 3 you will easily find this bolded heading..... that in my opinion was one of the most impressive meetings that I ever read about in an NDE account:


    "Our spiritual brother, Albert Einstein" (chapter 3)


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
     

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