Will near death experience accounts transform psychiatry and psychology?

You seem to confuse having NDE experiences with those experience confirming the existance of the afterlife. Having NDE experiences is not in doubt. There is no actual evidence however that these experiences relate to the afterlife or that these experiences involve any extrasensory perceptions.

In fact the only slighly possible bit of scientific experiment in the article is the test where Parnia put an object out of sight and of course everyone claiming the out of body experience failed to see the object.

 

Not everyone failed to see those objects ...... some saw them and described them perfectly..........
the majority didn't.........
Ingo Swann might have been able to see it without even having had an NDE......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann

 

At this moment in your life you may think that that is pure babble.........
(or you may be acting skeptical for similar reasons to what Buri might be up to).......

Post #197 for an explanation of what I mean by this:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-online-outreach-to-satanists.517921/page-10

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but if you had a brush with death or if you managed to induce a full fledged out of the body experience..... you might well begin to look at this topic much like former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D:

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html

 

Let me repeat. Near death experiences are real. The connection between NDE's and heaven and an afterlife are totally wishful thinking fiction. There is absolutly no evidence of an afterlife or heaven.

Oh and actual out of body experience have never been scientifically proved either although the mental illusion can be very easily induced by certain drugs.

 

Actually not what the quote from the article you posted actually said. Read your own post #223 again.

 

Good point... but there were other similar studies where the people who reported out of body experiences did indeed report seeing those unusual items in places where their eyes could not have seen them.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-science-of-near-death-experiences/386231/
The Science of Near-Death Experiences
Empirically investigating brushes with the afterlife

I find the following comment intriguing....... why do near death experiencers...... especially a group of them.... have the effects that they tend to do on electrical equipment?

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One NDE case did produce interesting results:

 

The tennis shoe incident has been posted before and I posted several ways it could be a fake. Sorry but there is no science in any of the above. In fact if you read the Atlantic article it confirms that where actual scientific investigation has been applied there is no confirmation whatsoever of supernatural events taking place in NDEs.

And the one electrical occurance has the same validity as assiming the one time the lecturn started smoking during I believe it was an innaugural speech meant that god was unhappy with the new president. In other words shear coincidence

So my advice is go one believing whatever you want but until there is actual scientific evidence that NDEs have anything to do with the supernatural or the afterlife posting non evidence isn't going to convince anyone who isn't already a believer. .

 

Thank you for reading that article......
I am glad that you read more about the Pam Reynolds case......
This one might perhaps impress you:

http://ebenalexander.com/about/my-experience-in-coma/

 

This interview is over an hour long..........
but I am enjoying this very, very much and you might as well.........

Dr. Eben Alexander puts forth ideas that might answer some of your challenging questions......

 

Probably not. If you can post science have at it. Opinion pieces and anecdotal evidence just don't cut it for me. And face it there is no scientific evidence for an afterlife. Doesn't mean you can't believe in it, just means you can't convince me.

 

I don't see any reason to believe that any of those references you post in #223 has anything at all to do with scientific method.

 

Again, there is absolutely nothing scientific about this.

It's a cool story, but NONE of the elements of scientific method are included.

What you have is an anecdote. And, I don't actually find such stores demanding of anything supernatural.

Brains that are receiving deprecated information from dying organs and nerves and are struggling due to the processes of near death are quite likely to approximate dreams - which can be vivid.

 

One of the most promising areas of research related to near death experience accounts, in my opinion anyway, is the surge in IQ and other abilities that is mentioned in the quotation that I gave in the opening post........
the tendency for computer equipment to stop working in the presence of a group of near death experiencers is
related to this.

Two examples of that IQ surge are given here:

http://community.humanityhealing.ne...-near-death-experience-and-iq-surges-given-to

Gary Plumley's near death experience and IQ surges given to people who have OBE/ NDE?

I am going to quote from post #2 though:

You can find out some more about near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. here:

Your nomination for Nobel Prize in Literature?

I have been reading about near death experience accounts for twenty eight years and I strongly suspect that there is some sort of connection between this surge in IQ and other abilities with the higher and higher and higher levels of energy in the higher and higher levels of energy in the invisible dimensions of space - time postulated in String Theory?????

You may actually know somebody who would be interested in studying this aspect of the whole formula. There are some quotations on basic String Theory in high school level English here:

http://carbonbias.blogspot.com/

 

When you can find any science go ahead and post it. Otherwise all you are doing is posting nonsense to support your own wishful thinking.

 

let's just look at the actual science behind NDE's;

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/peace-of-mind-near-death/

 

I can't help you produce evidence of something that doesn't exist.

 

These types of articles are important to the USA and world economy...........
some C.E.O's of huge companies are remoured to actually be chosen from among applicants with certain types of psychological profiles.

It is important to not burst their bubbles and give them evidence that there might be an actual Life Review...... where they can do a Vulcan type of mind meld..... with the victims of their lack of ethics, honesty, empathy or compassion!

https://www.businessinsider.com/professions-with-the-most-psychopaths-2018-5
The 10 professions with the most psychopaths

If you are curious about specifics on this just google the name Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski and watch the two documentaries about his cancer cure. One of his assistants ..... a fellow research physician who had utter the Hypocratic Oath...... talked him into giving a dosage that was obviously too low to help patients........ so that his anti-neoplastons could be proven to be without value..... so that a huge Pharma company could buy his treatment for a low price.




https://www.burzynskimovie.com/

and the most relevant part is in part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/user/BurzynskiMovie

 

This guy really should be in prison for life.

He is the embodiment of the reason for legitimate testing.

And, by testing I don't mean recruiting desperate people to pay large sums to take part in fake studies with no scientific controls or methodology to determine efficacy.

This is one of the serious medical con jobs going on today.

 

I have watched both of the documentaries about him and his treatment...... I am of the belief that WillReadmore is under-informed and naive on this particular topic.

In part two of the documentary a statement was made about a high level Democratic party official visiting Dr. Stanislav's facility...... while President Obama was in office..... . looking the methods over...... being very impressed but..... . they admitted that they could not support him because they felt that the USA economy could not handle the truth about his treatment because it could act like another 2008 shock to Wall Street.

Wall Street depends on Big Pharma......
Big Pharma depends on independents like Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski being suppressed by bureaucrats......

 

Cite someone who is an authority on medical testing on human populations and who accepts this guy's procedures.

We have Senators and Representatives who are find with all sorts of quackery. Saying "government official" is literally meaningless.


This guy is taking money from people in the name of testing procedures on a human population.

And, he is NOT even doing scientifically valid studies.

Such testing procedures are well known in the medical field. This isn't a matter of opinion.


Is this harmful? Absolutely! Those he's taking money from COULD be getting aid for life threatening disease from legitimate sources.

 

You are seriously incorrect.......
Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski has the only treatment ever proven to be effective against certain types of brain cancers...... the only one!!!!!

 

You're going to have to cite that.

There are reams of sites out there that detail this guy's total avoidance of any kind of legitimate testing protocol.

In other words, so far he's proven NOTHING.

Depending on one guy to do "tests" is not even slightly good enough.

Testing has to include controls, repeatability by those not associated, careful blinding, etc.

Your guy is known for changing test results and otherwise invalidating progress he continues to claim.

Humans are paying him and dying. They deserve to be more than cash cows.

 

I find NO evidence that he has proven ANYTHING.

I DO find plenty of evidence that he has faked his results, tampered with tests, and otherwise followed no procedure that would indicate that his solution has any efficacy.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...r-cancer-has-no-negative-side-effects.297938/
Dr. Stanislav Burzynski's cure for cancer has no negative side effects!

http://www.burzynskimovie.com/watch-burzynski/

http://neuro-oncology.oxfordjournals.org/content/10/5/759.full

 

The term for this kind of mischief is "p hacking".

Not only is 40 incredibly low, but they terminated the testing with fewer than half the number for which the test was defined, because they saw what they wanted to see.