Will our politicians be able to handle this.

Who was it that said..."Trade wars can quite easily become shooting wars"...Jim Rickards...
Not that I want that..heaven forbid...but we live in dangerous times atm....
https://www.silverdoctors.com/headlines/world-news/jim-rickards-the-trade-war-will-get-worse/

 

https://www.silverdoctors.com/headlines/world-news/jim-rickards-the-trade-war-will-get-worse/
This is the very reason why I detest politicians...and seriously doubt their ability to make the right decisions
for the peace welfare and good government of the colony...(taken from our constitution)

 

No....I just luv dick(head) Di Natali....

 

This is posturing at its best, and the media love it. Savvy investors are making big bucks off the rise and fall of stock markets.

The States are no more going to cease Chinese imports as the Chinese are going to stop taking Aussie coal. It’s all part of the game. The current game.

There will be no shooting between them, not in our lifetime anyway. The Chinese think 100 years ahead. They would have a vision of what the global landscape will be in that future, whether right or wrong, and they are planning for that. The SCS is key to that plan as it will give them stepping stones in this region. Defensive and supply points.This is why they are courting the small pacific nations, building their ports to suit Chinese interest. Enhancing their airfields to take larger craft. They learnt the mistakes of the Japanese in WW2. Japan stretched their supply lines to thin, China are building a substantial supply line.

Their holy grail is Oz. We have a small population sitting on massive riches, and within a short distance. Resources that ensure their future. They are not concerned with global economy for the long term, they are focused on complete self reliance and long term future sustainability for their people. Have you noticed that they are building a ring around us, using the pacific islands as a future launching pad and a defensive wall from the north.

They already control the major port in the NT and have created a massive port in northern WA that links to a military sized airfield they built from scratch. They own these.

China want what we have and one day they will try and take it. It is imperitive that we stay close to the USA, otherwise I suggest you learn mandarin.

 

On another note... if this is not a coal ban then it's likely China's economy slowing, they need less coal as electricity consumption and economic growth is closely related.

 

Great to see that our politicians are selling the farm to China...
It just warms your heart, doesnt it...

 

It has been slowing for a while. The coal they have capped is coking coal not brown coal. Coking coal is used in steel production, brown coal is generally consumed in the energy sector. The cap has nothing to do with energy or going green, it has to do with manufacturing. The biggest consumer of Chinese steel is China itself, so as their infrastructure boom slows so does the product consumption.

The other reason is that they may be trying to drive down the market cost for coal. They may feel they have paid too much for their forward orders and by the government capping the quota allows them to cancel said forward orders and then eventually renegotiate off the new market price.

 

Rather reasonable estimation of the situation, I must say. But I think you miss the point of the financial reliance of strategic selective nations. China still lays claim to several Asiana nations and are pushing loans and investment into others in ideal of making the nation’s financial reliant with little ability to repay the loans.

Several nations have been courted with huge loans in so called effort to build a future for them which are being taken up well above their ability to repay. USA has 22% economic reliance upon China and Australia has been rather remiss with the influence they have made.

Australia remains key strategic location between USA and Europe due to location, but as you correctly point out, rather rich in energy resources. However, my point is little less to these particular nuances but more to the point of not shooting at each other.

As I say, the world is at war at the moment, just as the US used other nations to stretch communist countries thin, Now the shoe is on the other foot. Russia and China are using smaller nations in effort to force increasing demand on resources militarily and financial for that long goal you point out they are looking at. The issue becomes that tensions are high enough to force the hand of nations to react raising the threat of full on war. Learning the lessons of WW2 where Japan was starved of resources forcing them to enter the war for their own purposes, along with other things.

I do think that the leadership of Trump is actually reducing the seriousness of tensions due to the fact he is not taken as seriously around the world.

 

Bill Shorten held up a photograph in Parliament of Julie Bishop smiling alongside Chinese property tycoon Huang Xiangmo in 2017, showing that the Liberal-National coalition had cosy ties with Beijing that has been trying to meddle in Australian domestic affairs. Huang Xiangmo is a Chinese spy and his citizenship application was rightly denied. Maria Butina was indicted for being a busy unregistered lobbyist on behalf of the Russian Federation. This is Australia's Chinagate. Helen Liu had made payments to a former defence minister.

 

Shorten points out a selfie yet ignores the payments made both party and personally that saw Senator Dastysari demoted to the back bench for getting caught selling his influence...



Australia's China gate, as you want to call it, is being covered up really well.

 

Hi,
I am struggling with this (your) painting of bad China vs good US.
On one hand I don't like the current Chinese push in having more influence in our region, but hey, how many unjust wars have we added to our portfolio since WW2? And that thanks to our best friend, the US.
So I think we should start making more friends in our region, and not relying on a partner, who does what he wants regardless of right or wrong,
Cats

 

What friends do you suggest? NZ? Fiji? Perhaps Phillipines?

I can see them being of great value when China come to take what they will.

Please suggest a “friend” of equal power or better if you will. One that shares our view of democracy and lifestyle. Yes our big American friend is not perfect, but they are the best friend we have.

 

You're delusional... this is a one way friendship... a do as you're told friendship. One that at any point we disobey... will be terminated.

U.S. won't partner with countries that use Huawei systems: Pompeo
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-that-use-huawei-systems-pompeo-idUSKCN1QA1O6

Time for you to wake up and smell the roses

 

Oh dont be silly...its all posturing and the media love it....everything will be just fine...wait and see...
Our politicians are trustworthy and honest...why, none of them have taken a dollar of graft in their lives....
Storm in a tea cup...just China slowing down......everything will be just fine.....

 

I am not Garry and if you wish me to respect your opinion it would be nice if you would reciprocate. Respect is a two way street.

You think our relationship with China is any different?

The delusion may be thinking we are more important than we are. This would indicate the delusion is not with me.

 

ok I'll take the disrespect... but leave the lies and the bullshit to the politicians and yourself. If America first aren't clue enough then you're a lost cause.

As for friendships we should forge close alliances with countries in similar positions to ourselves in our region... Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea.

 

They have to lie... I get it. But I don't have to

 

I’m delusional?

 

Delusional because you describe our "relationship" with the US as a friendship and a choice. There are no choices here for us, we will continue to do what we have to but it's all about hedging your bets.

Truth is America is pulling the rug out from under us... and many other countries economically so they can MAGA. And we're going to help them do it whether we like it or not. That is not a friendship... this is all about Making America Great Again at a cost to our own country.

ps. If you haven't noticed already I prefer my facts straight up

 

It seems it is purely the facts according to you. Like everybody else on here your opinion doesn’t make it fact.

I am interested in your “facts”. Please let us all know what you constitute as friendship between nations. This should be good!

 

Well,
I regard any European country closer to us in values than the US.
However, talking the region, we should start with Japan!
I don't buy this scare mongering "China the beast" anymore, sorry.
Reg.

 

Excellent post!!!

 

We already have very close ties with Japan, you know that nation near China that had imperialistic desires to conquer Australia just over half a century ago. The very same country that share as close a bond with the USA as we do. And for the same reasons. As for Europe, not sure they are of any benefit to us at all. This is not the schoolyard, friendships in global politics require more than sharing a vegemite sandwich, or swapping Pokemon cards.

 

Who except us would eat vegemite?
Not on the same page than you, we need to find new friends, all the US is good for is going to unjustified wars and asking us to join...
And we can't even stand up and say we got it wrong....
Reg.

 

I don't know WHY you keep blaming the US for these so called unjustified wars. Austalia Joined, they had the choice, or is it that it sounds good to oppose war???

Australia has a choice as to who to be friends with, the fact of the matter is Australia has hugely benefited with US support. You simply want to cherry pick to oppose those things that don't support your belief of facts.