Will Republicans Ever Reclaim Orange County?

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  1. DavidMK

    DavidMK Well-Known Member

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    So was Hawaii when it 1st became a state. But then the Southern Strategy happened and the only state that is white MINORITY flipped. lol Not Hawaiian but as far as I can tell the only prominent Repubs (that are actually Hawaiian) these days are the royal family.
     
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    In 2024 you will be wishing to God that Hillary had won. You might be running a strong and real candidate against her instead of Alex Jones
     
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  3. Lil Mike

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    I admit I don't understand your comment. Why will I, in 2024, be wishing Hillary had won?
     
  4. carlosofcali

    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your argument comes across, once again, as helpless to "demographic" trends. It is worth noting that Bush was governor of Texas when Prop 187 was being promoted by California Republicans and warned governor Wilson of the consequences. If the decline is strictly "demographics" than how does the GOP turn things around? Unfortunately, Republicans elected someone very foolish/ overtly racist who further alienates large segments of the US population. Latino-Americans are just one demographic that is strongly anti-Republican, as a result.
     
  5. carlosofcali

    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    California was also reliably Republican back in the day and elected many Republican governors including Reagan/ Schwarzenegger. Pragmatic leaders, neither Ronald nor Arnold embraced the bigotry/ anti-intellectualism that has poisoned the Republican party "bible-belt" base. Several articles on the GOP loss of Orange county point out that "educated voters" were the primary reason.
     
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    I think they are dead in California and will never come back.

    Things that did not exist in California when Republicans were in charge: Bubonic Plauge and other disease outbreaks, human feces on the streets, tent camps, heroin needles as litter, 25% of the population living below the poverty level, mediocre to failing infrastructure grades, the greatest wealth inequality in the country, failing schools (among the worst if not worst in the nation), highest sales/gas tax in the country (a regressive tax that attacks the poor) etc.... It is a great place to live if your are in the elite, everybody else, not so much. The truly sad part is that people fleeing California to Republican paradises like Idaho will eventually destroy them as they have California.

    I can't imagine how you think a single party state is a good thing. This is unsustainable. In California, the coming fight will be between Democrats and Communists/Socialists. The bloodbath that will unleash will be epic.... the elite will not be down with giving up all of their wealth. I am sure the elite will avoid being pillaged and I am interested in seeing how they do it (most likely by force)..... hopefully not by fleeing to functional states to ruin them as well.

    Latinos favor outright socialism. They try it over and over again in countries they control. There is a reason that socialism is gathering more and more traction within the Democratic Party and Latino immigration is the cause.

    The future fight for California will be to become a part of Mexico. This is one of the fastest growing movements in the Latino community. Given that California culture is more like Mexicos than anything American, it is pretty difficult to argue against it.
     
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    Take a look inside some of the classrooms in the schools. (Not talking about the most expensive areas right along the coast)

    There might be only 3 blonde hair students out of a size of 1200 at many of these schools.

    I remember reading some statistics a few years ago that only about 25-30% of the young adult population in the county was White.

    The demographics have shifted. The majority of the White people in the county are over the age of 50.

    More homes are changing over into rentals.
     
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    The OC went blue because of voter fraud.

    In the midterms Republican Congressional districts were flipped because of ballot harvesting , allowing anyone to register and vote on election day after ther polls have closed and California's motor voter that has registered tens of thousands to vote who aren't qualified to legally vote.

    During the 2018 midterm election in California's the 48th Congressional district where "Surf City" is located hat has been represented by a surfer (Dana Rohrabacher) for thirty years.

    With Democrats using ballot harvesting they were able to flip the 48th Congressional district blue and now have a hodad liberal representing the district.

    Hodads like Charlie don't surf.

    Obama don't surf but claims to have been raised in Hawaii.

    Cultural-marxist don't surf.

    The Orange Curtain has been torn and the OC is starting to stink like L.A. and Tijuana.

    Previously the Orange Curtain referred to the border of Orange County and L.A. County but it is getting more commonly known and anything north of the 55 and the 405 freeways. The filth that is LA has reached down into such cities as Garden Grove, Fullerton, Placentia, Buena Park, and of course, Santa Ana.

    South of the curtain (cities such as Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Mission Viejo, Irvive, etc) life is still nice and crime is low. Many people refuse to even cross this line because it takes weeks to get the stench out of their cars.

    Behind the Orange Curtain it's so beautiful and has just about everything but sometimes you just gotta cross the Orange Curtain to find a really seedy strip joint or taco truck.
     
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  9. Moi621

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    Not if the concept of Ballot Harvesters
    is determined to be illegal.

    Such activity is illegal in most States.
    Hopefully, a judicial decision will rule how they contaminate an election with fraud.
    Then we might have a truly fair election.

    ballots.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_harvesting
    Ballot harvesting is the collecting and submitting of absentee or mail-in voter ballots by volunteers or workers. ... California changed its rules before the 2018 election to allow persons other than family members to collect and submit ballots.





    Moi :oldman:


    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    You apparently didn't read the article. Prop 187 had nothing to do with it, it was demographics.
     
  11. Lil Mike

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    What court in California is going to overturn it? If the state tolerates illegals to register to vote when they get their driver's licenses, they are not going to blink at ballot harvesting. In California at least, it's here to stay.
     
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    The whiners bleat about ballot harvesting (a practice vulnerable to treachery, as we have seen in North Carolina) but not a single Republican loser has made such an accusation in California.
     
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    If not the Federal 9th District.
    The Supreme Court as it relates to fraud in Federal elections.
     
  14. carlosofcali

    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is much easier to always blame someone else or a conspiracy than face the facts that California voters do not want Republicans representing us. The Republican posters here do not in any way reflect the state. Like Trump, they prefer to be victims of their own petty hate/ distortions. Sad people who have no influence whatsoever.
     
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    Legal vote harvesting, when not a single losing Republican candidate has alleged voter fraud, is a fake and desperate excuse, whereas self-admitted racial gerrymandering by the 'Ol White Boys' Party is reality.
     
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    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a disturbing pattern of denial/ distortion by several Republican posters from California. They know better but cling to fantasy in the same manner that a spoiled child demands candy before dinner. Another observation that I find a little puzzling is that these posters deny that Trump is the reason for their losses in California. Even GOP operatives cite examples of Republican outrage with Trump. It would seem to be a perfect excuse/ accurate assessment for Republican angst. Oh well. :roll:
     
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    California is gone at this point.

    Hell, you can't even walk on an Orange county beach without stepping in human excrement or a needle anymore.

    And there is no point in going to them anymore since the majority of time they are closed with all the human sewage in the water.

    California is dying, people are fleeing and the sick mobs are taking over now.

    A true liberal Utopia.
     
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    People dying over a lost election is pretty rare, I think, even in California. I think the republican party simply concedes the state to the democrats.
     
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    Only a racist would care about any of that.
     
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    Who explained "ballot harvesting" to you?

    Here is the text of the law that California Republicans call "ballot harvesting":

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...ifornia-election-code-20181204-htmlstory.html

    apacherat would have us believe his fictional account of "votes stolen" and "illegals" being allowed to vote. In the real world, this law was put into effect to help those who traditionally have trouble getting to the polls, such as the poor and the elderly. Unlike what the Republicans did in North Carolina, in the Golden State voters have to DESIGNATE who will carry their ballots to the polls and hand-deliver them to voting officials. Stating that ballots were received after polls were closed is not supported by the facts.

    Republican officials like to play dirty tricks like closing polling places early or limiting them in high-density areas, knowing many people will decide not to vote rather than stand in long lines. Desperate Republicans have tried many stupid things to keep people from voting, from telling people that bad weather has caused the closing of polling places on election day and they should come back the next day to demanding ridiculous forms of ID where, in some reported cases, people with military ID and birth certificates were turned away.

    Of course, it has been pointed out that Republicans are also able to take advantage of "harvesting", but, I guess...they can't find enough people who want to vote the way their Granddaddies did? If the Reps are being hurt by demographics then the obvious solution is to appeal to that demographic instead of the racists and dinosaurs that seem to make up most of their base.

     
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    Thanks for clarifying/ challenging the piteous lies of some posters. The California GOP has never questioned/ objected to the vote count and Trump's own commission on election results quietly concluded that there were no irregularities. California Republicans understand/ self-identify the reasons for failure to win elections. Leaders like Schwarzenegger have been confronting the issues for years. Trump essentially was the "last straw" for these 'old school' Republicans who have re-registered as independents or simply joined the Democratic party like the 2 Orange county congressmen. California provides for direct voter involvement including propositions. Not all agree with the Democrats and even some Democrats vote against the advice of the governor/ legislators. Prop 8 [anti-gay marriage] passed 10 years ago and the death penalty continues to get popular support. But candidates who identify as Republican have a very tough time convincing voters to elect them and that only gets worse at each election.
     
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    The majority of people in California have long ago abandoned any notion of Americanism and common sense.

    I would guess that illegals and communists combined would outnumber Republicans.

    Just abandon the state, and let them die the death they deserve. I no longer do business in California, and I know many other people who avoid them as well.
     
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    :roflol:
     
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    Hey, I was born there :)

    Would love to do business and visit there, but it's simply too difficult and expensive.

    I chose to take my business elsewhere years ago.
     
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    OK and maybe that is why I responded in laughter. There are several Californians on PF who are in a 'love/ hate' relationship with their state.
     

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