Will the GOP eventually support marriage equality?

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  1. AndrogynousMale

    AndrogynousMale Active Member

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    I understand that. But Democrats combine money and ambition just as much. Granted, they're not anti gay, but they still use similar tactics.
     
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    Middleroad New Member Past Donor

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    Gorn im not a liberal and I was a republican a long time, right up until I voted for John McCain. I said I was a republican! not a far right teapartier. I was so turned off by the far right and their obvious attacks on the working class that I switched to independent and I reserve the right to pick and choose what side of whatever issue I want to be on. I will not be lead by either parties agenda and I dont care who I (*)(*)(*)(*) off in the process, liberal or far right.
    This new far right is greedy and full of crap. They call everyone that doesnt do what "THEY" want a rino. Mcain is more american than ALL THOSE YOUNG FAR RIGHT ARSEWIPES in the house and he gave more for this country than those young privledged punks ever have or ever will and they degraded the man because he wasnt a far right nutjob like them. If you dont follow the letter of the one line far right trolls then they call you a lib, fine call me a lib or anything else you want. In person Ive always been a man.
     
  3. Johnny-C

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    By the time the "GOP" actually supports same-sex marriage... it will be a VERY different GOP.
     
  4. Gorn Captain

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    John McCain was smeared by the scumbag Karl Rove in the 2000 South Carolina Primary (over his adopted Bangledeshi daughter)....and I think that "scarred" him and resulted in the sychophanty to Dubya (to assure himself the nomination) and his pandering to the Far Right in 2008, culminating with picking a "spokesmodel" to be a 72 year old heartbeat away from the nuclear codes.

    I would have voted for John McCain-2000 any day. But John McCain-2008 "killed" him.

    But as far as "young"....more and more like S.E. Cupp are either apathetic or supportive of gay rights. The old "Moral Majority" crowd (whom Goldwater hated)...are just that...old...and dying off.

    Sure you've got some of these punks raised on Limbaugh and Fox News...but eventually they're cynical enough to see that being anti-gay...is a political loser. Just like how Sean Hannity is now "pro-amnesty" on immigration.

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    Going to have to be when a lot of OLD Republicans have "gone on to their Reward".
     
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    Middleroad New Member Past Donor

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    I wasnt referring to the gay issue. My response was more in general. McCain was smeared by alot more republicans than Rove.
     
  6. Gorn Captain

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    Understood. And yes, throw in Limbaugh and his attacks on McCain as well.

    But on the other hand, McCain's response was not to stand up to those guys....but to kowtow to them so as to win the '08 Nomination. A real "maverick" would have told Rove and Rush to go to hell in 2008, gone agaainst himself even and picked Chuck Hagel as Veep, and said "Yeah, Bush crashed the economy. I won't be so stupid"....

    and probably would have beaten Barack Obama with Indies and Moderates, and Far Righties would have still voted for him because they hated Obama for "various" reasons.

    BTW, on the gay marriage issue....read Reince Priebus interview on "National Review Online"....by saying "No, we're not going to ostracize Rob Portman", he basically threw out Party opposition to Repubs who want to support gay marriage.
     
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    Its not a risk to support gay marriage when the bulk of the opponents to it are dying off and the bulk of the supporters are becoming of voting age.
     
  8. Toro

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    Yes. Young Republicans already do. So old Republicans (and Democrats) who oppose will die off and young Republicans who support will grow older into leadership positions, and this will be as controversial as inter-racial marriage today.
     
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    The Democrats have generally favored gay rights foe decades. The GOP never has.
     
  10. Gorn Captain

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    True...it's just that now, it's starting to cost them elections.
     
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    "Marriage equality" my ass

    This is all about "Gay marriage", not marriage equality
     
  12. Johnny-C

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    And the 'racism' the GOP has skillfully used as a 'wedge', is also flying out to hit them in the head... but that's another topic.
     
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    Okay.....either way you phrase it? It's increasingly clear that opposing it wins you no elections....so the GOP may be thinking of reversing its position.

    After all, where are YOU going to go? To the Democrats??? :)

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    They reversed themselves on "Kick 'em all out" on immigration, because Latino voters found it offensive. Being anti-gay rights doesn't seem to be working for them anymore....so at the LEAST, the GOP might consider being "ambivalent" on it.
     
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    The GOP tends to use SHARPLY DIVISIVE tactics. That sh__ is backfiring on them.

    It's something I warned MANY Conservatives of long ago; in various fora and in-person.
     
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    Unlike you, my views arent dictated by polls and elections.
     
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    Does not the will of the people matter?

    And isn't it more important to lean toward liberty in such matters, where granting such liberty is not proven to harm, infringe upon or restrict the rights of others?
     
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    Again....GOP "goes soft" on gay marriage....they're not going to lose your vote, are they? So why worry about you???
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Unlike you, my views arent effected by the whims of political parties.

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    The content of the constitution isnt effected by the results of polls.

    Tax breaks and governmental entitlements arent liberties. You have the liberty to cohabitate with your boyfriend and consider yourself his wife. Nothing in the law prohibits you from doing so. All this crap about freedom, liberties and such is just that, crap. Tax breaks and governmental entitlements are all that you are denied and all that you seek.
     
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    The dems are the only ones I see using race as a wedge.
     
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    dixon, answer my question....if the GOP agreed to support gay marriage, or atleast stopped opposing it....

    would you stop voting Republican? Yes or No?
     
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    Only when it is their own son or daughter, everyone elses sons and daughters can go to H#ll. See how that works, one set of rules for them another for everyone elese.

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    Yet the Repubs pull the race card more often than the Dems. Don't make racist comments and people will not label you as one, do so and be labeled correctly, so simple.
     
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    Forget it none of them will answer, it would make them actually backup their words with action and that is not how they operate.
     
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    Plus, we already know the answer.
     
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    True. It reminds me of when the primaries started and I said Romeny will be the GOP candidate, many Repubs said that I was wrong and they would never support him because in reality (to them) he was nothing but Obama Lite. Guess what months later some of the same people were defending Romney and trying to get out the vote for him. Most will simply stick with whomever their handlers tell them to support and without the GOP and the far right mouth pieces to tell them what to think they would be lost since individual thought processes are disapproved of in the GOP. The GOP is about to go through a shakeup, the extremists and moderates within the Party are at odds and my guess is there will be a divide among them before 2016. should be interesting to watch, who knows maybe some good will come of it.
     
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    Exactly....GOP says "It's a state matter...we're not going to get into a fight over it"...i.e. tacit admission the Republican Party will acede to the reality of same-sex marriages???

    Dixon and others like him keep voting GOP on a host of other issues, even as they grind their teeth to chalk dust.

    The anti-gay rights voters don't win elections for Republicans anymore...if they did, Romney would be President. So if they don't win for the GOP....possibly cause it to LOSE some races.....why not ignore them??? Because again....they aren't going to leave and go "3rd Party" or "stay home".
     

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