Will the government shutdown in 10 days or will congress extend the debt ceiling?

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Will the government shutdown in 9 days?

  1. Yes

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    37.5%
  2. No

    5 vote(s)
    62.5%
  1. ziggyfish

    ziggyfish Active Member

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    Will the government shutdown in 10 days or will congress extend the debt ceiling again?

    Considering that congress is focussed on healthcare reforms, and building the wall. Will congress be able to decide to increase the debt ceiling within 10 days (money is set to run out on the 29th)?
     
  2. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Looks like the Stock Market and Big Business are starting to bet that no deal will be reached. Market down. Under 100,000 jobs. Housing starts down.

    I really hope it works out well, but we could be seeing the start of a Trump Slump. Hope not.
     
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  3. AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS

    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    Art of the deal time..
     
  4. The Mandela Effect

    The Mandela Effect Well-Known Member

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    This poll question is confusing as to what I am voting yes or no on so I guess I will just throw my 2 cent's in.

    I think it's likely they will make a deal to up the debt level but I don't think it will be too high so they will have to vote on it again in 6-12 months.

    If they do shut the government down people are going to be pissed and I can't even guess as to why the GOP would shut it down. But then again they manage to try there hardest at times to show everyone that they can be just as stupid as democrat's in our broken two party cesspool of a system.
     
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  5. ziggyfish

    ziggyfish Active Member

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    The question is now fixed (hopefully).
     
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    The Mandela Effect Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for making the poll more clear.
     
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    Let us see what deal the so-called president makes. He claims he makes "the best" deals.
     
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    Hopefully, the debt ceiling will not be raised.
    Not having a limit on how much debt we can take on will lead to our downfall.
     
  9. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    I hear that Congress is bringing up healthcare again which means they have to cover it before they get to the debt ceiling debate, just because the healthcare system we have will have a big impact on the debt. I don't see them getting things done by the end of the week so YES I think the government will shut down.
     
  10. Pollycy

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    Both Republicans and Democrats will piss, moan, wring their little hands, and blame each other. And then they'll both vote to give the government spending authorization for another week or two. Neither party wants to be thought of by the "cattle" as holding up the welfare 'gravy-train' for even a day!

    And when that "week or two" runs out, they'll go through the same process all over again, and then vote to continue it for another "week or two". And on, and on. Possibly through the entire summer.

    There isn't ANYTHING this bunch of carping, sniping, lying, treacherous radical Democrat bastards in the Congress won't do to hurt President Trump -- no matter WHAT he tries to do....
     
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    I agree with most of what you've said. Our completely worthless Congress will kick the can down the road, again and again. That's all they're good for. They're too stupid and stubborn to work together, and to do the work it takes to reach a compromise on issues, so that actual governing can take place. It's sad that our 'would-be' leaders are made more popular when they take the most outrageously partisan and stubborn positions. No wonder America is sinking quickly to a Third World level.

    As far a your last sentence goes, trump needs no one's help when it comes to hurting himself or making himself look like a World Class idiot.

    He's a buffoon, bully, liar and blow hard. A demented, stinking turd, with the attention span of a fly and a brain to match. We need a real president, not this money-grubbing, Posse-Grabbing Clown. As for your accusations about democrats being: carping, sniping, lying, treacherous radical, bastards. Hell, that describes all republican politicians perfectly. Both parties are equally corrupt and worthless.
     
  12. Pollycy

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    Trump never was "my guy", Monk. You wouldn't have liked "my guy" any better, probably, because my guy was Rick Perry, the current Energy Dept. Secretary.

    I voted for Trump for two main reasons:
    1. Protect the Supreme Court from being populated any further by creatures like Sotomayor and Kagan. That was absolutely paramount in my mind! I knew that whatever else Trump did, he would definitely put someone on the SCOTUS who was vastly superior to any of the bottom-of-the-toilet sh*t that Obama foisted on us.
    2. Keep a recklessly dangerous, hopelessly ignorant, doctrinaire, criminal, and STOOPID person like Hilarity Clinton from taking over the Executive Branch.

    I used to smile every time I heard Trump's campaign playing the Rolling Stones' song, "You Can't Always Get What You Want". No, as a matter of fact, I didn't get what I wanted from this past election, but, at least we aren't plunging at breakneck speed downhill on a "Highway to Hell"....
    Link: :banana:
     
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    Ooohh, yes we are...
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    does anyone else think that there is something rotten when the question is whether a Republican congress, senate and white house can succeed in what should be a straightforward exercise? Talk about a failure to govern.
     
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    "Failure to govern" stems from the idea that raising the debt ceiling is a good idea.
    Thus, the question of raising in withing the GOP-controlled government, where many believe doing so is irresponsible.
     
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    doesn't really matter where it stems from. It is a failure to govern period. Regardless of the internal conflicts, either they deal with the actual realities of the way the government and economy function or they stand in their ideological phone booths pointing fingers at everyone except themselves.
     
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    How is a debate over the irresponsibility of raising the debt ceiling an example of a failure to govern?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because it isn't irresponsible to raise the debt ceiling. You do understand that its money ALREADY spent by congress don't you, and that congress holds the purse?
     
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    How so?
    Taking on more debt when you're already so far under water you'll never pay off the debt you already have isn't irresponsible?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The nation isn't even remotely "underwater". In fact its soaring quite high above the surface to extend the metaphor.

    It shall continue to do so if donnie and the gang don't screw it up.
     
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    The current debt sits at $19,846 Billion
    FY2016 revenue: $3,266 Billion (16% of debt)
    FY2016 deficit: $621 Billion (19% of revenue)
    Explain how this does not qualify as underwater
    Explain how why you believe more debt -- indeed, unlimited debt - is a good idea.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you at all familiar with a balance sheet?
     
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    Nowhere here is a meaningful response to my post.
    Explain how this does not qualify as underwater
    Explain how why you believe more debt -- indeed, unlimited debt - is a good idea.
     
  24. The Mandela Effect

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    It's starting to look like the government is going to get shut down so that would make what I said when I didn't see why they would do so.

    Oh well such as our new boss same as the old boss acts in congress.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you aren't familiar with a balance sheet.

    its one thing to have debts, its another thing to have assets that one either had previously or incurred in acquiring/developing such assets.

    Wanna take a stab at how much the United States of America's assets are worth? the debt pales in comparison.
     

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