Will the United Kingdom be no more "united"?

In these days I'm noting that the Scottish Prime Minister is promising to EU that Scotland is going to be back soon ...

https://www.newsweek.com/scottish-l...back-soon-renewing-talks-independence-1558409

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...-SNP-Scottish-Independence-European-Union-ont

Is this a way to obtain more from London, or should we think that she's seriously imagining that the majority of the people of Scotland will follow her in this adventure? And ... is she presuming that it won't be too difficult?

 

I doubt it.

RE: Will the United Kingdom be more united?

Doesn't mean Scotland's going anywhere though.

 

I doubt it and if they were to leave the UK by some miracle, they would be the trailer park of Europe. Not the good beach front trailer park either. They would be the one with the rusty 55 gallon drum telling you where to turn on the road to find it back in the woods, assuming the chained dogs didn't scare you away.

The Scots seem to ignore many realities when rallying for "Freedom". One is that most of the offshore stuff they think they will get to pay the bills, they won't be getting because of international custom on how land borders are extended into the seas. They would quickly race toward having a third world economy within a few years. Quite frankly, I am not sure the EU would even take them unless it was for spite. They have nothing substantive to offer the German banks.

 

~ EU or not there is a real danger England will sell out to China .

 

I doubt it.
UK/China relations have hit the can since we abolished Huawei from our 5G network -- They also clamped down on Hong Kong 30 years sooner than they agreed to back in 1997.

 

That's a wild partisan political fantasy and I'm sure Sturgeon knows it. Even if there was an independence vote tomorrow, it would take years for Scotland to become an independent country (ironically, if you think implementing Brexit is being difficult and disruptive, Scottish independence would be many times worse). From that point, Scotland joining the EU (not re-joining - Scotland was never in the EU, the UK was) won't be a straight forward prospect, even if the entire EU was open to it (which they wouldn't all be) and there would be all sorts of difficult hoops the newly independent Scotland would need to jump through and controversial compromises they'd need to make (again, ironically similar to aspects of the Brexit negotiations).

I think it's always been about political power and influence on the part of the SNP so more devolved power from London would be seen a win as much as full independence would. And while the polls are very close, I think they'd struggle to maintain the level of support they'd need for independence as the cold stark reality of the prospect becomes more apparent. The only concern would be, again like Brexit, is that the snowball is pushed down the hill before enough people realise (or admit to themselves) all of the potential consequences and we all just get stuck with it.

 

I think as well that the real goal of the Scottish government is to improve the "devolution". The federal nature of the United Kingdom could allow Scotland to obtain something like a special status [more similar to the status of a state in a confederation than in a federation]. May be they are thinking to something similar. In such a context they even could open direct relationships with EU. But it would be incredibly complicated [Scotland would become a new Northern Ireland with the advantage not to have physical borders with EU].

Anyway, in 2021 in Scotland they are going to elect their new Parliament [on May 6th, 2021].
That will be a nice test for the pro-European politics of the Scottish Prime Minister and her party.
In last elections the SNP gained 63 seats [now it has got 61, someone has escaped ...], to win the absolute majority of the Parliament it needs 65 seats. If the SNP will be able to get 65 seats or more the Scottish government will have also the support of the Parliament. An other card to play. We will see.

 

Because of Brexit, the UK has to act more united, and the Internal Market Bill passed on December 17th 2020 in the upper house of the UK legislature should reverse devolution handing powers back to London, no?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Internal_Market_Act_2020

 

Well considering the bewildering news of baffling telephone calls between President (defunked) Trump and Georgia's State Governor I would imagine that Sturgeon could copy the political theme - just hold a press conference and announce that they've had the referendum, won it and now Scotland's independent, joined the EU and Scotland now chairs NATO, WHO and will be hosting the 47th Meeting of the (now) G8 in Edinburgh......easy......who'll argue?
Fantasy is now reality

 

I thought I heard the Scottish economy is too small to qualify to join the EU.

 

More a case of it's deficit being too large.
If the SNP were to cut govt' spending to the rates required they would be voted out of power quicker than you can say ''Wee Jimmy Krankie''.

 

Oh, that's right. I remember that point now. Thanks for the reminder.

 

...its too small to qualify as an economy.....its akin to a 12 year old's paper-round salary augmented by Dad lobbing out a couple quid for nipping down the shoaps for his Daily Record and 20 cigs

 

Ah! If at Edinburgh they are really thinking to join EU they will have to show to be eligible. It's not about the dimension of the country, anyway it's not an easy process. Turkey is still waiting ...

 

...and will continue to wait.....but I imagine that the shed loads of cash the EU is paying Erdogan makes the wait worth it....plus Turkey has an ecomony which will make accession uncomfortable for the Secretariat as it would suddenly become the 5th largest European economy and would want a big voice in the room. Scotland would be told to go and sit in the corner with its colouring book and not to speak until asked to.

 

Never seen a stronger call for Independence than this English Nationalism.

 

England is finished. You are right. They even told Rodrigo Futerte that she has the same values as him. That lets you know where England is going. Good luck to the English for the future. Such sad folks.

 

Ireland is already suffering over Brexit

Urgent action required over Brexit disruption to deliveries – Economy Minister - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Brexit was about English Nationalism of the worst kind. Ethnic Nationalism. Out with the non whites. It also has no problems getting rid of the N Irish.

Eire is also having problems with its lorries due to Brexit.

Surprised that their appears to be no hold up with lorries from Britian? I can tell you why. It is because England is not doing the processing necessary. It will have to do this by June by which time England will be in riots - no doubt punching anyone with a brown face because they will claim it is all their fault.

 

The English. Lockdowned till at least March because they are so juvinile they cannot ever wear a mask.

 

Spite seldom ends well.

 

No yours dosn't darling. Now I know why you were so upset about people talking about the failure of Brexit. Still wanting to pretend all is ok while being disrespectful to those not English. Clearly you are just another who likes to give it and cannot take it. Pride like yours most certainly comes before a fall. I shall be watching. Right now thankfully I need to go out so I can get some fresh air.

The English Nationalists drivel about Scotland's economics has already been shown to be the lie it is.

 

Do as you like. Scotland's currency would be virtually worthless and the independent Scotland would have to continue to shrink its government services in order to pay for its debts. Buy hey, still ignoring that their oil revenue would be substantially less than the SNP's propaganda "Scotland's Future" study concluded.

 

Shetland and Orkney want to leave Scotland. Without them, Scotland's economy collapses completely. The Scottish people will become the New and But Hardly Improved Pikeys.

 

If it's all about the self determination of peoples ... I don't see why Shetland and Orkney shouldn't leave Scotland if they want to leave it.
It's ok. Why not?