Will the United Kingdom be no more "united"?

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Will Scotland leave the United Kingdom?

Poll closed Jan 28, 2021.
  1. Yes

    44.4%
  2. No

    33.3%
  3. I don't know

    22.2%
  1. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    I could easily quibble on the future market potential of oil and it’s potential for an independent Scotland’s economy.
    That said, the nationalist movement lost the independence bid for a number of reasons, and will likely lose it again by making a similar strategic error as is currently being echoed by nationalists/republicans in Northern Ireland, there has been an emphasis on an emotional appeal for succession from the UK and while emotional bids can appeal to some, the general electorate I believe is far more pragmatic, more motivated by their pocket books than emotion. Nationalists have failed in generating a vision of a future independent Scotland and what that will mean in terms of a self sustaining prosperous economy.
    While I am an Irish Republican and advocate a UI, I am often declared a heretic to the ‘cause’ because of my criticism of the Republican leadership making the same strategic error that will likely result in a failed bid in any UI vote in the near future. The Republican leadership has likewise appeal to a sense of nationalistic identity based emotion and has thus far failed to deliver a vision of a future UI and failed to generate and share a coherent plan for achieving that vision. And, the case of Northern Ireland, they have to deliver a vision and plan that will convince the electorates of both the Republic and NI that the future of a UI is more economically beneficial than the current situation. The unite now, sort it later only appeals to a small minority. I delivered my criticisms along with a Detailed White Paper on developing a UI future vision, questions that need to be answered an a derailed framework for a plan for achieving that vision to the Stein Fein Ardfheis three years ago; I suggested that it should be given to voters prior to any election bid so voters would know beyond the emotional rhetoric, what they were voting for. My basic theme was people tend to vote for prosperity over sentiment and if show a path to prosperity they will vote in that direction but were not likely to risk the known for an uncertain path.
    I submit such is the case for any bid for Scottish independence.
     
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    Are you refering to the Brexit referendum?
     
  3. The Rhetoric of Life

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    We need to reverse devolution and win back power away from the nationalists; we need a public campaign to name and shame nationalists like the SNP and liken them to the BNP to take away support; and we need to roll back the damage in Westminster done by Tony Blair's government when he sanctioned devolved governments.

    Expose nationalists, and reverse devolution.
     
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    Then there won't be any confusion about Brexit; moving freely in the EU means moving at great cost to your country and other EU countries; denying others the right to refuse you, giving others the right to move to this country without refusing them.

    We also need to educate Scotland on what the EU is; because they're still sore about not being able to be in the EU; so they need an education to snap them out of looking towards the EU for their hopes and dreams, and to aspire to be more like Washington DC rather than some European back water like Brussels.
     
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  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    GO SCOTLAND!

    Scotland's Route to European Remembership - here.

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    Bring back your oil with you ... ! ;^)
     
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    Scotland's Debts? The oil they bring with them will largely pay for their debts. (Whether the oil-income reduces the debt is quite a different question, however.)

    Independent Scotland's new-currency would be the Euro, and it is doing "just fine". Not to worry ...
     
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    Scotland has never been a member of the EU.
    Remembership is not only a non-existent word it is an impossibility in this context.
    You can't rejoin something you were never a member of and you can't join the EU unless you satisfy the GDP to debt ratio set by the EU.
     
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    Scotland can become a member if its parliament votes to do so. The Scottish Parliament being established on 1 July 1999 and independent from the UK.

    Just who are you trying to fool with your questions?

    It thus can vote for membership in the EU. And, the question is, Why does it not do so?

    At issue is the fact that the UK's main energy- and funding-source is the oil being obtained off the coast of Scotland.

    That matter must be settled first-and-foremost before Scotland can make a request to join the EU ...

    PS: The UK wanted "out". So, now it can pay the consequences!
     
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    https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend-by-spend/oil-and-gas-revenues/

    0.03% of GDP is hardly the UKs main funding source.
     

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