Will Universities in the US start losing foreign Tuition?

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Will Universities in the US start losing foreign students and Tuition?

  1. Yes, they will lose a substantial number of foreign students

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    57.1%
  2. They will lose some, but it won't be a big deal

    2 vote(s)
    14.3%
  3. No they will not lose any foreign students

    3 vote(s)
    21.4%
  4. They will actually gain foreign students

    1 vote(s)
    7.1%
  1. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member

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    I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

    He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.
     
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  2. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not why he's leaving nor does this have anything to do with universities. The business tax rate in Switzerland is 17.92 and in the USA it is 35% - nearly double - and that does NOT even count state income tax. THAT is why he is leaving. He doesn't want to give up 17+% of his income just to be in the USA. But rather than tell you he is leaving for greed-profit reasons, he played the race-card on you.
    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/corporate-tax-rate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_States#Federal_tax_rates

    The claim of lose money to universities is false and absurd - and the poll is a crap poll since you ASSERT it is inherently better that American universities have foreign students rather than American students. Why? Why do you claim that is better? ALL top universities TURN down the majority who apply, so it IS giving slots to foreign students rather than American students.

    American students (who pay tuition) are being denied enrollment to given such enrollments to foreign students instead - to the benefit of their country's economy, businesses and even military advantage.

    It is absurd that OUR government is subsidizing universities to deny Americans admission in preference to foreign students.

    Why is the government funding MIT to refuse admission to 90% of Americans who apply to instead enroll thousands of Iranians - half of which then return to Iran to build their intercontinental missiles and nuclear weapons? Why are American taxpayers paying to educate the technicians and experts for our foreign country economic competitors and our country's future potential military enemies.

    What the hell does "caucasian" employees have to do with it, other than by your message you are a Democrat who evaluates everyone by race? Your message avoids saying that many of his employees are NOT American, doesn't it? But, then, there are white Democrats who claim that ONLY white people are really Americans - and Latinos are always forever Mexicans, blacks forever are Africans etc.

    If the government is subsidizing a university in any way, it should be for AMERICAN students, not to the benefit of OTHER countries and THEIR people. That is obvious enough.
     
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    PS.
    My poll answer is:
    Hopefully this means more Americans will be given a change to attend top American universities, so hopefully there will be LESS foreign students at American universities.
     
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    Yes, and I don't see why some people find that surprising. Would you send your kid to the University of Tehran?
     
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    I mention "Caucasian" employees, because the Indian is owner of the business, but employs here in the States, indiscriminately. The AMERICAN Caucasian employees, will either have to uproot their families to move to Switzerland, or they will be out of a job. BTW, not one of your statements has any backup, and yet most of them are very derogatory, regarding American Universities. I can see you place no value on multicultural experiences.
     
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    Ok, so your Indian friend is a racist who does not hire black or Latino Americans, only "Caucasian Americans," got it.

    What didn't I back up? That top American universities have more applications from Americans than they accept? M.I.T. turns down over 90% of applicants, but has admitted thousands of Iranians of which nearly 50% then return to Iran. If you are unaware of this then you made no effort to learn even the most basic facts of YOUR topic.

    If you don't know how to click on links to see the tax rates of the USA compared to Switzerland maybe someone - meaning anyone likely over age 8, could show you if that is what you mean by my statements have no "backup."

    And I see you have outright contempt for the USA and Americans. You openly want American applicants to the USA's top universities refused admission on behalf of you favoring foreign students to benefit foreign governments, foreign economies and foreign militaries.

    The "multicultural experience" is just so much BS. Multicultural experience for who? The Americans denied admission learning that "multiculturalism" means their citizenship and their tax money is used against them?

    Your messages are the typical radical Democrat partisanship of calling Americans racists and that Americans should come last before everyone else in the world - and at our expense.

    The USA has no shortage of cultural diversity among our own people. International "multicultural experience" including people of ideologies 100% adversarial towards our laws, system of secular government and our values of freedom is a slogan advocating social suicide. To understand the meaning of "multicultural experience" read up on the history of Native Americans, all indigenous peoples of the Americas, and the fall of the Ottoman Empire - for starters. How'd the "multicultural experience" work out for them?

    Where do you think the experts building Iran's ballistic missiles were educated? The university of Tehran? Or of the over 10,000 out of M.I.T.? - which then meant over 10,000 American students denied admission.
     
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    Foreign students also build bridges. Does MIT have more than 10,000 students?
     
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    MIT ADMISSION RATE:

    Freshman Applications 19,020
    Freshman Admits 1,511
    Percentage Admitted 7.9%
    http://mitadmissions.org/apply/process/stats

    Over 92% of people who apply are rejected and of those admitted nearly 1/3rd will be foreign students.

    In fact, nearly half a MILLION university slots go to FOREIGN students - from countries largely that are our economic, political and unfriendly military rivals.
    https://qz.com/296952/why-iran-and-brazil-are-sending-more-college-students-to-the-us/

    Why doesn't the USA have more highly skilled technical people available for employment and why do companies go offshore to find them - plus the lower wages paid elsewhere? The reason is because upon US tax dollars our universities have been providing all such countries their technical people, putting Americans at the end of the line.
     
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    Not only due to the anti-immigrant sentiment Trump brings, but also the "Dumbing Down" of America spearheaded by the GOP.

    If you want higher education, would you come to a country where:

    A large percentage of the population doesn't accept evolution
    There is actually debate that man is accelerating global warming, even though the rest of the world knows the science is clear.
    There is no universal healthcare
    A significant percentage of the population believes the world is only thousands of years old
    There are schools where a book of fiction (the bible) is given equal weight with valid reference books
    A large percentage of the population (but WAY less than a majority) voted for an obvious liar, a buffoon, to be president
    Guns are readily available to anyone - even the mentally ill - and are used all too frequently
    There is the highest prison population in the world - most of it for victimless "crimes" such as Marijuana
     
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    Well, it will give better American students more of a chance to get into better universities, without all the foreign students taking their spots. It won't happen, though, not by major amounts--yes, a few here and there, but not many.
     
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    Over 14,000 Iranians have graduated from M.I.T. So far over 40% have returned to Iran to benefit Iran and Iranians, not the USA and Americans.
     
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    It depends on localities and some red states like Kansas could be as dangerous as Australia, where anti-Indian attacks were reported in major cities. But states like California and Massachusetts are relatively safe for foreign students.
     
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    Ah yes, the enlightened scientific ideology of the religion so Islam and of China, such as their policies on of legalizing usage of marijuana! (Both countries IN FACT both have extreme intolerance of drugs.) Could you have found a more absurdly claim to make?

    But I understand by your messages that you are posting all your intense hatred of the USA and Americans, while bragging on the government and laws of China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and so forth. It is the declared duty of partisan Democrats and liberals to hate the USA and love everywhere else.
     
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    The simple answer is YES, by the 10's of thousands.

    Mainly because those people that want higher education simply know that if they apply themselves, learn and graduate that their chances of a better future are increased. Very few care about any of your angry anti Trump anti Christian list, although i'm sure they were warned that there are a lot of angry anti american people like yourself out there and they should steer clear of them as much as possible

    At least that's the reason my kid went to a major university, to get a really interesting & well paying job. <duh
     
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    I should have known when you started flinging around "democrat" that you were full of beans. Take a look at the size of the student body and the break down by race and nationality.

    http://web.mit.edu/ir/pop/students/diversity.html
     
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    It is especially dangerous to be white in many areas too.
     
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    MIT has an excellent reputation because it accepts only the best applicants, and it is not their fault that 1/3 of the best come from abroad.
    You could always got to a place like the University of Miami in Ohio that has an Acceptance rate: 65.4% (2016), where speaker Ryan got his only degree, a bachelor's degree without honors.
    The US doesn't have more highly skilled technical people because education is not valued as highly as it ought to be. The situation will not get better with an Education secretary who only attended private bible-beating schools, and a so-called president that ran an educational scam with an unaccredited "university" that was far from an educational institution.
    By the way, the so-called president only has a bachelor's degree without honors, NOT an MBA.
    I’m, like, a really smart person.” - is something I have never heard from anyone who is really smart, and I have met some VERY smart people.
     
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    1.) If M.I.T. is a world university, then it should not receive any government money.
    2.) So basically M.I.T. is in the business of training USA economic and military adversaries because they are nationality neutral?

    Hey, I got it from your messages that you hate the USA and America - and most of all any Republicans. Hatred of everything to do with America past and present is the #1 party platform of the Democratic Party and the acid test competition among their minions.
     
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    Oh, certainly I hate America. That's why I was prepared to give my life in service.

    I am done answering you - you have no ammunition. I do hate repubs because they have no moral compass, only greed.
     
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    So what's your point? A lot of Doctors, surgeons, nurses, engineers, mathemeticians, etc, graduate from American Universities, and become specialists in their field in foreign countries. Probably very few are terrorists, or involved in terrorist plots. In addition, they probably spread democratic ideals to those countries, which might otherwise be secular, communist or fascist.
     
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    Good, tuition at American Universities needs to come down. Less students, less demand, prices drops. I went to collage in the early '80's and after just completing putting my 3 through the cost now is crazy stupid.
    You need a vote option " who cares"
     
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    SO?

    It may surprise you, but most of Iran is below 35 years old and does not hate America (yet).
     
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    Thanks to conservatives, in general, and the GOP's total whack-jobs, in particular, the U.S. is rapidly becoming a cultural backwater. The Orange Joke in the White House is a Rodrigo Durerte wannabe. He's every bit as disgusting and slimy as Duterte. And with the anti-immigrant, anti-people of color atmosphere trump has encouraged, what foreigner in his right mind would want to spend good money on American colleges. There are good universities in many countries. More friendly countries, at that.
     
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    The violence by so many Democrats definitely could scare people away from the USA. There was the Democrat Hilary Clinton supporter who shot over 100 people at an LGTB nightclub, murdering 49. There as was theDemocrat Hilary Clinton NYC bomber. Even the Democratic candidate for VP, Kaine, had his adult son setting off explosives, incendiaries, smoke bombs and making chemical warfare attacks against a group of people.

    Add to this the Democrat riots, arsons, lootings, violent attacks against people even in their own yards plus the extreme demands for racial segregation by Democrats as reasons for people to stay out of the USA. Democrat officialsd now incessantly call for violence and fighting from the top of their ticket down, including Hilary Clinton, and call for blood in the streets, violence and death. The Democratic Party and so many Democrats have given life-death reasons for people to NOT visit the USA.

    Of course, foreign governments will still continue to send students to top USA universities to learn our technical secrets and knowledge so they can return to their countries to build advanced weapons systems and nuclear weapons to have the ability to mass kill Americans by the millions, to have the technical skills to hack our computers, still tens of billions by computer identity theft, and to allow those countries to modernize their sweatshop factories to eliminate millions more American jobs while sucking money out of the USA by sweatshop products - all supported by traitorous and ignorant Democrats who hook-line-and-sink accept every advertising slogan of the international corporations and super rich elites advertising agencies - such as CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo and LAT that they own.

    Foreign students should be banned by federal law attending any university course that teaches any technical or skills knowledge that can be used against the USA as a matter of national security. The Democratic Party should be formally declared a domestic terrrorist organization as well in my opinion.
     

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