Will you Please Wear A Mask Now

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    A consequence of the flagrant violation of sensible precautions.
     
  2. Xyce

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    I could not fully quote your post, because the system will not allow me, because of the character limit.

    In the post, you go into great detail about the various standards for different masks to prevent the transmission of microns from the person wearing the mask to another and vice versa. Using this context, how many possible microns of the Chinese Virus is Fauci preventing from being transmitted from himself to others and vice versa in this picture?

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    Contrast this with this picture, in which Fauci is wearing the masks and no one is close to the 6-foot radius from himself.

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    So when Fauci knows the cameras are on him, he's wearing a mask when no one is near him, but he removed the mask from his nose and mouth when he's elbow to elbow with others.

    Interesting.

    Let me ask you a question. Do surgeons have the option of not wearing a mask before surgery? You certainly have done a lot of research, lack of citations notwithstanding. Perhaps you can point to the regulation that makes wearing a mask during surgery optional, not mandatory. What does the science say about that?

    One more thing: your post, lengthy though it was, did not contradict my point. My point was that "the science of surgeons wearing masks is well-grounded and is not comparable to wearing masks to prevent transmission of the Chinese Virus." This is true, and nothing in your post contradicted this salient fact. This particular strain of coronavirus has been referred to as the "novel coronavirus," which means it is relatively new compared to the science of wearing a mask during surgery, which has been around since the early period of the last century (1), which has provided much more time to understand its effectiveness as compared to the novel coronavirus, which the WHO itself said months ago that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

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    1: https://anesthesiology.pubs.asahq.o...ed with consistently,caps, and 1957 for masks.
     
  3. Montegriffo

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    No surprises there.
    Comprehension doesn't appear to be one of your strengths.
     
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    First of all, why in the hell are you giving me pictures of Fauci? Do you take me for some Fauci fan or Fauci defender???

    Micron is a measure of length. It's not "microns of the Chinese virus" being released. I'm talking about the diameter of the SARS-CoV-2, which is 0.1 micron.

    Lack of citations nothwithstanding? LOL, I've cited my sources *multiple times* and that's demonstrable because my posting history is here for anybody to consult, but of course I won't include them again EVERY SINGLE POST if not asked for which would be annoying and time consuming and is rarely done, but since you asked, let me cite them for you again, although I frankly doubt you'll be able to understand the essential points being made by this table, when you demonstrate for example that you don't know what a micron is.

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    Source:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

    Since this is a meta-analysis (do you know what this is?) it is not just one reference, but several built into one; in the case of masks, 29 papers, with the analysis of the data summarized above in terms of RR (relative risk).

    No evidence of human-to-human transmission??? LOL, what's your point in quoting early information BEFORE it was abundantly clear that human-to-human transmission occurs? This was at a point when they were still only seeing animals-to-human transmissions and cases of human-to-human hadn't been found yet... like in the first few infections identified. Ever since, for your information if you haven't noticed, there's been literally MILLIONS of human-to-human transmissions. Pray tell, how in the hell do you suppose this virus is spreading??? You are making a very weird point, here. Do you actually think that this early statement proves something that the WHO might have done wrong? That's usually how these zoonotic viruses start. They jump from animal to animal, then from animal to human, and if they stay like that they aren't such a big deal, but at one point they start jumping from human to human, and then all hell breaks lose. All that the WHO was saying, there, is that AT THAT EARLY POINT human-to-human transmission hadn't been identified yet. Then, it was.

    I don't see the relevance of your question about surgeons in operating rooms - duh, of course it's mandatory to avoid infecting the surgical field, but what makes you think that masks work only one way??? Responding to your question that what I said doesn't apply to your point, do see that three of the studies quoted above were in Non-Health-Care setting. QED.

    Novel coronavirus or not, the first SARS virus is very physically similar and the same size, so studies on mask filtration done with the SARS-CoV-1 do apply to the SARS-CoV-2. Do you know why we call this one, #2? To differentiate from the almost physically identical #1, which is the object of the three studies above. Do observe too that 4 of the studies above ARE with the SARS-CoV-2, the agent of COVID-19.

    Jesus!... :roll:
     
  5. pol meister

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    My comprehension is fine, which is why I was quickly able to comprehend that your post was incomprehensible.
     
  6. Curious Always

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    His post was easy to comprehend. What's puzzling is how you think if you have the virus, wearing a mask will give you the virus.
     
  7. pol meister

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    What's even more puzzling is how you would ever come to such a bizarre conclusion, since I never claimed any such thing.
     
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    You said this:

    Think of the smoke as the covid virus. Do you really want to be the mask wearer? Why try to reduce your emission to others, only to end up inhaling more of it yourself?

    Here's your answer. If you don't have COVID, you can't give it to yourself. If you do, you already have it, so it doesn't matter. Does that help?
     
  9. pol meister

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    No, it doesn't help, it only further reveals your incomprehension of the topic. I have never portrayed the mask wearer as already infected, so stop pretending that I have.
     
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    Ok, so then your question is answered. You can't catch COVID from yourself by wearing a mask. Does that help?
     
  11. pol meister

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    No, nothing you say is helpful, and now you're just making things up.

    Masks are not designed to block the virus from being inhaled. 50% passes through the mask, and the other 50% gets trapped in the moisture of the mask. So as you breathe, you're essentially creating a chamber of polluted air within your mask, which then puts you at greater risk than if you weren't wearing one at all.

    As shown before, one could think of it as looking something like this:
     
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  12. Curious Always

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    As I've explained now, several times, the video is an absolutely perfect demonstration about masks working as designed. I'm sure you've been told this, but you'd rather complain than understand.

    That guy is a genius for providing the proof that those water droplets coming from your mouth won't travel NEAR as far as without a mask. I vape; the vapors can fly all the way across the room if I let it.

    Psst - the masks don't prevent you from GETTING it, they slow down the droplets coming from YOUR mouth, so people near you won't get those droplets.

    :) Happy to help.
     
  13. pol meister

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    You're right, instead of those water droplets traveling far from your face, most of them will get trapped in your mask, and you'll be breathing them in all day long, vapors and viruses both. Good luck with that, 'cause you're going to need it.
     
  14. Curious Always

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    If you're healthy, why would you be breathing in viruses. If you're sick, please stay home, or at a minimum, wear a mask to keep your virus from spreading. The more we can decrease the viral load, the less sick people will be when they do get it.
     
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    Why would being healthy keep one from breathing in the virus? Sorry, but you seem to have lost your way some time ago, and now you're just drifting farther and farther off the path.
     
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    I think you are being intentionally obtuse now.
     
  17. pol meister

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    Well, I think you've done well at describing yourself.
     
  18. Curious Always

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    That's exactly what YOU are doing. LOL. TTFN.
     
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    I don't think it's necessarily the responsibility of others to keep you or anyone else safe. Especially when the dictates they are dictating are not proven to keep anyone safe.
     
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    So you don't care if the restaurant staff cooks your meat to the proper temperature, store their perishables in a fridge, wash their hands before serving you, etc?

    Why should it be their job to ensure your food is safe. Just say yes to food poisoning!! After all, almost nobody dies from it!

    Maybe it's not your "job" per se. I call it respect for human life. That's just me.
     
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    This is an interesting real-life confirmation that even our lousy cloth masks do make a difference. In Kansas, after the state courts brought down the state-wide mask mandate, individual counties were left to issue their own ordinances. Well, 15 counties chose to implement mask mandates. All the others didn't. Guess what? Infection rates dropped sharply in all 15, and not at all in all the others, despite the fact that these 15 were mostly in densely populated urban areas with more risk of contagion than other counties.

    https://apnews.com/f218e1a38cce6b2af63c1cd23f1d234e

    Anytime someone says that masks don't work, the person needs to take a look at Kansas' real-life experiment. Sure, cloth masks are not ideal, but at least it does seem like they are better than nothing,
     
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    Too many people want to make perfect the enemy of good.

    It doesn't work 100%! No, but it's greater than 0%, so just do the right thing. Morons.
     
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    It isn’t talked about much, but many researchers and healthcare professionals do believe it matters if you wear a mask and you already have it. Here are a couple sources.

    https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...4dd945c88789cc1/1586006218651/MaskDesign2.pdf

    Pull quote from article.
    And this.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...vid-19-and-how-to-guard-against-infection?amp

    And pull quote.
    To be clear, there are obviously no studies yet on C19, viral load, and if masks can amplify viral load in infected persons. But it’s logical to assume it is a factor based on what we do know.

    I’m not telling anyone not to wear a mask. If we are using masks to prevent spread and not to provide protection to the individual it’s irrelevant anyway. I’m just disseminating information not giving advice. :) But to say it doesn’t “matter” is not based on the information we have. The evidence we have points in the opposite direction.
     
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    Viral load is a huge factor, as evidenced by the Diamond Princess in January. I would offer that someone who has COVID and is going out and about anyway, has very little regard for human life.
     

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