Will you take the "third shot" or "booster" when you're eligible?

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Will you get a "third shot" or "booster"?

Poll closed Nov 25, 2021.
  1. Yes, I will get a third shot.

    61.2%
  2. No, I will wait to see what happens during winter.

    16.3%
  3. No... I never even got vaxxed before, and won't now!

    18.4%
  4. Yes, but I will wait a few more months.

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I'm prepared to bet that I'm more qualified than both, on these matters. I'm also a board certified physician and unlike them, in addition to that I'm a PhD medical scientist with expertise in immunology and virology. So, no, that's not OK with me, BUDDY, but feel free to follow the wrong advice you're being given. After all, it's your life and health, not mine. Do know that the virus itself carries a 30% risk of myocarditis, not to forget a huge risk of thrombosis, lung fibrosis, kidney insufficiency, destruction of beta pancreatic cells, cognitive deficits, and so on and so forth. People including doctors who don't see that the benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks, are fools. And yes, there are doctors who are fools like in any other profession.

    If what you've described (a reaction to a stress test drug) is their one and only reason for contra-indicating the vaccine, they are fools and you'd be better off seeking a second opinion. Now, if their reasons are others, and you have other conditions that you haven't disclosed, then it would be a different matter and I can't have a firm opinion without knowing your full medical history, so if that's the case I'd defer to them who actually know your history and have examined you. But if the reason is one and only one, that you had a reaction to the stress test drug, then there is no doubt that they are fools.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I hope that you don't mind but I copy and pasted your response over here to increase the probability of the Premier and Health Minister of Nova Scotia seeing your message.... (as well as a reply that you got)...... that although I disagree with the reply.......... it was impressive!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...y-ceo-and-board.592016/page-2#post-1072977080


    N.S. premier, health minister fire provincial health authority CEO and board
     
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  3. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My choice is "No".

    I'm vaxxed first time round and not bothered what happens over winter or any other time. So which box do I tick?
     
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    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    Mmm... I see your point. Well, if you got vaxed before, but don't care about what may or may not pop up on the 'virus front' this winter, then, no, I didn't provide a box for that choice.

    Guess it's good I don't do this for a living.... :?
     
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    WELL NOW.....how grateful we should all be, why WE have the most infallible, irrefutable voice regarding ALL aspects of medical science since Hippocrates rolled his last pill, right here on our our own little ANONYMOUS forums! And being an ANONYMOUS little forum, I could pass myself off as a brain surgeon, and ALL I need do to accomplish that is go to the relevant professional websites and journals, those of teaching hospitals and the THOUSANDS of "hits" a simple Google search will provide...download, glean, recast in my own words. and post...VIOLA, I'm a brain surgeon! It's not like I'd be putting it out there ANYWHERE NEAR other professionals are ever likely to view! See how that works....(oh I bet you do indeed). I have viewed you Sir from day one with a good deal of skepticism and THIS UTTERLY BREATHTAKING DISPLAY OF SHEER BRAGGADOCIO was the final confirmation, thank you. So's you run along now, but DO continue to dazzle those who'll swallow ANYTHING that pops up on their screens as long as it vaguely coincides with THAT which they're already inclined to believe.....CAPEESH, "DOCTOR"???
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, the kind of expertise I've shown here in numerous posts about the fine points of Virology and Immunology are utterly incompatible with a lay person simply googling the matter. There are various fine points that are simply not available in your regular WebMD. Add to this my access to the pertinent medical literature and my understanding of the methodology in these scientific papers, which is something that takes years of training to achieve. Add to the technical side, the understanding of the fine points of medical practice and the regulations that go with it and how a hospital functions... something that the lay person has no clue about and doesn't even know how to find the information. Also, my understanding of medical education, and so on, and many other topics in the realm of Medicine I've posted about. The sheer amount of these MULTIPLE pieces of knowledge would be utterly impossible to keep in a coherent whole. A lay person would commit errors in trying to keep the facade together, and would show unfamiliarity with certain aspects, which would then be spotted. But you can turn my posting history upside down and you will NEVER find an instance of that.

    No, I'm not always right, nobody is, but when I'm not, it's not in a way that would betray unfamiliarity with the science and the practice of medicine. People who ARE equipped to understand this, (for example @Bowerbird) know that I'm not faking it (we do have some scientists and some healthcare professionals here, and they all do believe in my credentials).

    So, there is no doubt that I do have the credentials I say I do. But yes, it's an anonymous forum so there is no way to further prove it (not that it is needed or that I'd want to because the ultimate way would be to upload a copy of my medical license, but of course I'd not do that because it would be an opportunity for doxxing for those like you who don't like what I say), but do you actually think I would lose any sleep over a certain joesnagg in the vast Internet not believing in my credentials? Think again, BUDDY. I couldn't care less.

    The people who do need to believe in my credentials, do. That is, my State Medical Board, my medical school, my PhD track school, the hospital where I did my residency training, my specialty board, the hospital that employs me, the university that grants me my faculty appointment, the NPI registry, the DEA, and my patients and research assistants, and the editorial boards of the journals where I've published. Funny enough, they all believe in my credentials. So, carry on, suspect me as much as you want; it won't affect my private or professional life in the smallest way.

    And yes, if your doctors have acted like you've described (you could be making it up, actually), do get a second opinion because it's completely senseless. When I say so, it's because I care, despite your low opinion of me. Have a nice day.

    Oh and by the way, when you want to show sophistication and you introduce a French word, see if you get the spelling right, OK? It's not VIOLA, it's VOILĂ€.
     
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    My doctor wrote to me saying I'm entitled to the flu jab and the Covid booster shot, they will write to me nearer the time with appointment days. I replied asking them to remove me from both vaccine registers.

    I'm comfortable with people having vaccines, not having vaccines, or a combination of the two. I feel people should make their own choice.
     
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    It is such an enigma!

    New England states, for instance, have high vaccination rates -- and yet right now they're having lots of Delta-mutation infections... link: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/article254726152.html

    It seems that despite evidence that shows vaccinations, a vax 'booster', et al, are generally beneficial in fighting this virus, there's a HELL of a lot we still don't know.

    That said, for the last year and a half I've predicted that a day is coming when you won't be allowed to set foot outside your front door unless you can prove you've been fully vaccinated....

    We're headed in that exact direction right now... and, in truth, if they can ever figure out this whole vaccine 'thing', it may what's best for humanity.
     
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    My current customer, their girl came back from school with COVID, both parents caught it and all isolated upstairs, I'm still doing construction work downstairs. They're in their late 30's and not vaccinated. Apart from chesty coughs, they're over the worst and just a few days to go before they're COVID free.
     
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    Yep, had my regular flu shot last week.
     
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    I have had my 3rd vaccination against Covid already.
     
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    He had a proper poll option for me (never got it before and won't now).

    At first, the jab was a "wait and see" sort of thing for me. I might've been willing to take it eventually if it proved to be a safe and effective jab over time. Then, the more I learned about it (such as the side effects that a number of people were experiencing), the more I didn't want anything to do with it (since I am a young and healthy person with a very well functioning immune system).

    Then, after all of the coercion, manipulation, lying, mandates, and other stunts that Democrats have pulled regarding this jab, I REALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY REALLYYYYYYYYYY refuse to get it and I likewise flip the bird towards anyone trying to order me around regarding this jab. This jab is my "hill to die on". I will not do it (and will proudly stand with anyone standing up against these tyrannical mandates).
     
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    The quantity of willful ignorance in this tread is comical, and pathetic.
     
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    Right, but don't you think that in considering the choices they have to make, people should get the opinion of learned specialists who spent a lifetime studying these issues? If a pipe is leaking in my home, ultimately I'm the decider regarding needed repairs, but I do listen to the opinion of a certified plumber since he has the expertise that I lack.

    God forbid your child gets an operable brain tumor. Do you just "make your own choice" or do you get the child to see a neurosurgeon who studied 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school, 7 years of residency training + several years of practice safely removing operable brain tumors from a person's brain? Yes, sure, you'll be the one to decide, signing the informed consent forms the brain surgeon will ask you to sign before he can fix your child... but you'll most likely follow the doctor's advice.

    It's funny how when it's a vaccine, everybody who doesn't have a clue and isn't trained in Virology and Immunology has a two-bit opinion and won't listen to specialists who spent a lifetime studying viruses and vaccines.
     
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    Can anyone tell me how many have died from the murderous fraud vax?

    In mid July, CDC said 11,900 in the US were dead plus over 1k fetus. Since then, total censorship....
     
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    There are hundreds of reports of people having died after getting a COVID vaccine, but that does not necessarily mean the vaccine was the cause.

    but they use this to count people who had covid when they died from other illnesses or just because they were 80 !
     
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    I have had both Astra Zeneca injections.

    I feel people should make their own choice.

    Of course plumbers are experts. British Gas came out and fixed why we had heating, but no hot water. Then they came out again to refix it by changing the electronic timer unit. Then they came out a third time to replace the valve under the tank. That finally sorted it. But thank you for your flawed analogy.
     
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    The analogy is not flawed at all. If you ran into some incompetent plumbers, it's not my problem and it is an anecdotal case. By the way, the brain surgery analogy is flawless. Still, of course, malpractice happens. But would you, for fear of some malpractice error, try to operate on your child's brain, yourself? Of course not, right? You'd trust the doctor although there is no guarantee that his action would be error-free 100% of the time.

    People ARE making their own choice. The mandates in the United State for the most part have an opt-out clause of simply getting tested once a week, so an employee can choose that instead of choosing the vaccine. Also, for the places that don't have that opt-out clause such as direct federal employees or certain healthcare workers, the person still has a choice: either accept the vaccine, or decline it and go work elsewhere. Nobody is pinning down people and sticking them with a needle against their will. Given the nature of healthcare, while I'm not for mandates in general, in this case I am, because healthcare workers should not decline a vaccine that will decrease the odds that they will pass the virus on to vulnerable patients (it won't eliminate the odds but will decrease them). Also, healthcare is a science-driven sector of human activity and if someone doesn't believe in real science but prefers to believe in junk science and anti-vaxxer BS, that person has no business being a healthcare worker so, good riddance if that person is fired.

    Good for you that you got your vaccine doses.
     
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    So, see if I can work you out, you are happy that people can make their own choice, but if they don't get vaccinated, you're happy to see them get fired?

    PS - my decision to get the vaccine was to shut the girlfriend up in case we went on holiday. She's the panicky type that gets the flu shot, I don't bother with that and I even told the doctor to take me off the COVID booster shot list. My choice (hope I don't fire myself, I'm self employed)
     
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    Only in the case of healthcare workers. Yes, I think that healthcare workers who don't want the shot, must be fired. And they are being fired. Good. They have no business getting any close to a patient. For other workers I don't favor a mandate. I favor education and gentle persuasion, with frank conversations that are respectful of their choices, without blaming them. The aim is to dispel misinformation. There are many who don't want the vaccine because they have believed in lies and conspiracy theories started by anti-vaxxers and corrupt TV pundits.
    Frankly your reason for accepting the vaccine is silly, but I'm glad that you took it, anyway. If boosters become widely demonstrated as a necessity, then it is silly not to take them. Sure, it's your decision, but sorry, not following expert advice is boneheaded. If you want to be boneheaded, then that's your problem. In any case, you are probably sufficiently protect with two doses of the AZ against severe disease and death, so you should be fine for now, but this protection may not last forever.
     
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    When did you last take a tetanus vaccine? The experts say every 10 years for adults
     
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    Every ten years. As a physician employed by a hospital, our Employee Health Clinic keeps track of these things for us and updates our vaccines when needed.
     
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    I'll get the booster, sure. I mean, I've had so many shots and vaccinations in my lifetime, I really don't see the fuss over another one. Besides, as a teacher they'll likely mandate I get it anyway, so ... *shrugs*

    As an aside, my wife and I were watching some news short about Nicki Minaj being virulently anti-vaxx and going off on some rant about it. I told my wife that if I was on the fence about it, Nicki's insanity would definitely convince me to get the booster! :)
     
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    pleeez put yerz clawz away.

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    I would like to shed some light on this from afar, because I believe you are very sincere in your doubt.

    The Pfizer/Biontech vaccine orginated (the majority of it) in Germany. The is the vaccine where Trump tried to buy the company and patent the thing only for the USA, if you will recall.

    Doctors in Germany have been issuing the 3rd dose for those above 60 and with some medical issue (meaning, they would be in danger were they to get the virus) starting with small target groups since the end of August and they are now more than convinced that the booster shot will provide protection not just for months, but perhaps for up to 7 YEARS. If this is the case, then the boosters would go a long way in helping to kill off Covid-19.

    I'm just saying: if the first 2 shots caused you no harm, then the 3rd shot is an eminently good idea. I strongly recommend it.

    I was immunized on June 1 and June 22 of this year, so probably at the beginning of 2022, I will take the booster and be done with it.

    In saying that there is a helluva lot that we don't know, I agree with you fully. There WILL be unexpected consequences, as there are every time a vaccine is used. But those consequences can also be very positive.

    My doctor told me that for men my age (around 55) that it could very well be possible that pain will appear on the spot where the jab took place, but that pain would come a number of months later and this may be a very good thing. I kind of scratched my head. And lo and behold, this week, my right arm started to hurt like hell right where I got vaxx'd. So, she (my doc) was not off on this at all.

    Better to be vaxx'd than to be dead. It's really a simple calculation.
     
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