Will you vote for the not-Trump candidate, whoever he is?

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  1. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    Profits were turned over to the Treasury, I believe.
     
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    rahl Banned

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    Do you have a source for this?
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    The biggest danger to the country was on stage at the Dem debates.
     
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    your problem is you attribute the economy to trump, when it has continued on the exact same trend line that started in 2010. Nothing has changed under trump, it's just a continuation of the same trend.
     
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    nobodyspecific Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I cannot pretend to know what other people's voting criteria are going to be. I can only speak for myself.

    But as for the notion of whether or not the D candidate has a chance? I'm not sure. I think we are going to see a very high turnout in November. Trump has energized his base, sure enough. But he has also stirred up something on the other side of the aisle, and I expect among unaffiliated voters of most all persuasions. You may remember that 2014 had the lowest voter turnout in any mid-term in 70 years. This was followed up by the 2018 mid-term, which had the highest mid-term turnout since 1914. That is astounding to think about.

    Right now, I could see it going either way. So given that I have strong feelings, I may as well throw my vote at blue. It's wasted regardless of who it goes after.
     
  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm sure the illegals he hires will be thrilled to know that. But fiscal conservatives who see the precedent being set of a President profiting with their tax-money... no so much.
     
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    So, you are proposing to promote the absence of government...by voting for government?

    Democracy or Republics are form of government.
     
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    No, that is too irresponsible as a voter, I will only choose who is the lesser evil, whether we like it or not we should have a leader put in place.
     
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    Bernie is going to feel the Democrat party BURN.
     
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    He does charge costs, which can be damned high at a five star hotel.
     
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    I am proposing that you vote for people that support in whole or in part your views. You're going to have to move in that direction incrementally in any case. Oh and I don't care who you vote for, in your case the libertarians would be closest to your views.
    But frankly anarchy is what you get when everything comes apart at the seems. Historically it's always been a bloody mess with some sort of storm troopers waiting in the wings to come tidy up and that is a rather sanguinary process at best.
     
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    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    'He hires'? There's a bit of a stretch, but if you've ever dealt with hiring, you would know what is involved, allowed, or not allowed in the hiring process.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Those who vote for the lesser of two evils should not then complain when evil wins.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Exactly. Never mind the emoluments clause. This is another one of the things that Trump loyalists will never be able to justify supporting, even after Trump is gone.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I am involved with hiring. And an employment eligibility check is definitely allowed in the hiring process. But that makes no difference if the owner of the business decides it is to their advantage not to do one.
     
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    Again renting out hotel rooms at costs is not part of the emoluments clause and has nothing to do with it. Washington didn't quit running Mount Vernon while he was president nor did Jefferson cease operating Monticello, Adams stiil ran his business as did almost all presidents in the 19th century.
     
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    Wingnut radio strawman arguments might work great on their gullible audience. Not so much on rational people. This has nothing to do with running a business. Trump knowingly and purposefully profits from foreign governments through his hotels. That's a clear violation of the emoluments clause.
     
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    And he's been doing it for decades. His business is building and operating 1st class hotels. Washington Jefferson St et Al exported crops making money from foreign governments. You're still firing blanks.
     
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    Then you already know this: You cannot discriminate based on race, nationality, etc. If the Social Security number provided is valid (and the SSA will advise you of that) and other IDs are valid or appear to be, then you cannot legally deny employment on that basis. If the business does, then they can be fined heavily.

    Do you honestly think that Trump walks down the applicant line pointing at the people he wants to hire? What would be his purpose in hiring illegals, since DoL can and does audits to make sure the business complies with all laws?

    The hospitality industry (along with construction) are rampant with illegals, but most know the game and come and go quickly. The ones that Trump has been accused of hiring were apparently there for years. Seems you can't even bring that up on Google anymore. The others that have been hired are Guest workers, here on visas, nothing illegal about that.
     
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    But you can discriminate based on them being an illegal alien.

    You have no way of defending your idol, and this is the only nonsense you can come up with?
     
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    I mean, I would vote for Trump over Pence, I think, at least Pence would be an improvement in decorum, but it's unlikely his opponent would be a theocratic authoritarian fascist... Yes, I would vote for any of the people Trump may run against, even though most of them aren't actually that liberal. Whenever Trump opens his mouth with his vindictive lies and arrogant nonsense, I feel embarrassed for my country, and it's hard to imagine a candidate who wouldn't be more respectable in his/her behavior. His racist and short-sighted policy decisions are more important, though.
     
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    LoL, talk about suspension of disbelief.

     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How are things going for you personally? Are taking part in the economic boom?
     

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