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  1. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

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    Do you have a reading comprehension problem? All Dutch trains run on wind power and wind power alone. If you want more info. find it yourself.
     
    politicalcenter, Jan 16, 2017
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    The energy prices are on a high level because of the direct payed subsidies to get the alternative energy marketable. Just have a look a the expense of a solar panel ten years ago and today.
    Germany is paying some extra Euros for insufficient planning.

    The subsidies for the nuclear energy will have to be payed for centuries. Germany buried low and medium radioactive waste from 1967 until 1978 in a salt mine, called "Asse". The nuclear industry payed 900.000 € for it. Today it must be unearthed due to radioactive contamination. The estimated expenses are 6 billion Euros and must be payed from the federal budget.

    As far as i know no country has a reliable plan for its radioactive waste.
     
    Blücher, Jan 16, 2017
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  3. AFM

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    Do they run on cloudy and windless days and at night ??
     
    AFM, Jan 16, 2017
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  4. politicalcenter

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    They run the trains on wind power 24/7. Google is your friend.
     
    politicalcenter, Jan 16, 2017
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    Your claim is that the electrical power for all the Dutch electric trains then does not come from the Dutch electrical grid to which wind turbines are connected ??
     
    AFM, Jan 16, 2017
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    No...I claimed all dutch trains run on wind power.
     
    politicalcenter, Jan 16, 2017
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    AFM, Jan 16, 2017
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    OMG.. .did you even read your own link. They agree....all the electric trains run on wind power.
     
    politicalcenter, Jan 16, 2017
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    I did closely read it.

     
    AFM, Jan 16, 2017
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    What's interesting is that bulldozing thousands of acres of desert and Joshua trees is not exactly green energy.
     
    sawyer, Jan 17, 2017
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    The existing grid is stand alone power and doesn't need wind as a backup. Wind on the other hand is subject to to the
    whims of weather and needs the consistency of fossil fuel to back it up.

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    Yes and the existing fossil fuel based grid will still be required with the most massive windmill development imaginable
     
    sawyer, Jan 17, 2017
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    Long distance in Germany is a hop skip and a jump in America
     
    sawyer, Jan 17, 2017
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    Polluting the Gulf of Mexico with millions and millions of gallons of crude oil isn't green either. Don't you think suddenly becoming a tree hugger because you are against wind power as being a bit hypocritical?
     
    politicalcenter, Jan 17, 2017
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    What's hypocritical is calling wind power that bulldozed thousands of acres of pristine and fragile desert lands replete with Joshua trees that are so rare they have been slated for induction into the endangered species act as green energy. Add to this the slicing and dicing of birds bats and bald eagles and the green energy myth is exposed as the same fraud that AGW is. What's hypocritical is fossil fuel freaks crying crocodile tears over occasional and very rare incidents of oil soaked birds and then shrugging their shoulders over the 365- 24-7 slaughter of birds by windmills.
     
    sawyer, Jan 18, 2017
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    I get ya. The deepwater horizon incident just resulted in a few oil soaked birds. And the Exxon Valdez incident is inconsequential when compared to wind power environmental damage. The bridge is located in Brooklyn.
     
    politicalcenter, Jan 18, 2017
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    99% of the time fossil fuel is problem free. 100% of the time windpower is not. Do the math.
     
    sawyer, Jan 18, 2017
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    That is just untrue.
     
    politicalcenter, Jan 18, 2017
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    As we speak tens of thousands of oil wells are pumping spill free and oil is being transported in railcars, ships and pipelines world wide without any spills while at the same time windmills are chopping up birds 24-7
     
    sawyer, Jan 18, 2017
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    This just supports your lack of credibility.
     
    politicalcenter, Jan 18, 2017
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    politicalcenter, Jan 18, 2017
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    A link to an AGW propoganda site is worthless. Here's a link you might find informative that's an environmental group that is also an anti fossil fuel AGW bunch that isn't afraid to tell the truth about wind power.

    Wind Energy
    Wind energy destroys land, kills birds and bats, and requires immense amounts of steel and concrete, both of which are intense polluters. And because wind energy is so intermittent -- an unreliable source of power -- utility companies have to contract with natural gas "peaker" plants to generate energy during the times when the wind is not blowing. This means that wind energy is not an efficient means of cutting carbon emissions. There is no free lunch when it comes to energy, but we do not have to keep ordering from the same menu. Invest in rooftop solar and energy efficiency, and we can sharply reduce our demand for destructive energy sources like coal, and natural gas, and wind."

    http://www.mojavedesertblog.com/2012/04/wind-energy.html
     
    sawyer, Jan 19, 2017
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    That has nothing whatsoever to do with your fallacious requirement for a "redundant grid".
    The existing grid is NOT purely a "fossil fuel based grid" because it handles both nuclear and hydro renewable power and is adapting to handling wind and solar as well.
     
    Derideo_Te, Jan 29, 2017
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    A blog that disingenuously ignores the fact that there is an entire park dedicated to 2.5 million Joshua trees?

    http://www.latimes.com/science/scie...-trees-endangered-species-20150930-story.html

     
    Derideo_Te, Jan 29, 2017
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    As I said the existing grid doesn't need wind or solar for a backup whereas wind and solar requires that the existing grid remain fully functional and at least partially functioning at all times. The redundancy is obvious.
     
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    sawyer, Jan 29, 2017
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