Windmills!

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  1. FivepointFive

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    Liquid metal salt reactors

    Tiny in shipping containers




    The waste can be infused in glass beads at safe concentrations

    If the glass beads spill they will just be a collector's item

    The shards of Roman glass still carry the chemical makeup of the time
     
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    There are still some ranchers that use windmills, but must have been replaced by solar.
     
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    Are you suggesting you wouldn't mind having several hundred "windmills" erected where you live?

    I wonder how well property value is maintained for those homes located close to such monstrosities?

    As an FYI, there are about a dozen of those things within 10 miles of my home. I rarely see the blades moving on those suckers, which leaves me wondering how much electricity they produce.
     
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    LMAO



    . Reminiscent of the chemical fire in Houston recently

    Maybe Scott Pruitt can provide some insight on how to improve wind power?

    Scott Pruitt? Insight?
     
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    Which doesn't save the birds most of which are insectivores or raptors. And if that sucker gets hit by a lightning bolt or worse a tornado you're looking at years of decontamination.
     
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    And the ocean is so big, it can handle
    anything we can dump in or fish out.
     
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    Not the same. There will be considerable horizontal distance between the wind mill fields. In addition, there is considerable vertical depth. A windmill extends vertical a few hundred feet at its highest while the low level winds go up a mile or so. Plus there will be no accumulation like in the ocean.
     
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    Ever hear of a little gizmo called a battery. It converts electrical energy into potential chemical energy, which can then be converted back into electricity at a latter time.

    Does your cell phone stop working when you disconnect it from the charger? Have you ever used portable power tools? All the modern ones work on battery power, even when it is dark and the wind is not blowing.
     
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    It was Trump who said that the sound from windmills caused cancer. All of the late night television show hosts have been making fun of him over it. Colbert, Meyers, Kimmel, et al. Over on HBO and Comedy Central they have been making even more fun of him. What a national embarrassment our president is. He also thinks that the way to prevent forest fires is to rake the forest.
     
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    The "little gizmo" has to be huge to store enough electricity for a large areas for days. Have you notice the size of the little "gismo's which are used to store electrical power in your car. Those batteries are storing the equivalent power for about ten gallons of gasoline or less. The battery packs will have to be huge and will be very expensive. And by the way, battery manufacturing causes considerable pollution of ground and air by their very nature. More likely ways to store the energy is pumping water up hill into reservoirs The most economical way by far is to use back up electrical generators powered by, God forbid, natural gas or nuclear power.
     
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    It is very likely. It is not the wind mills themselves. Wind mill are distributed in huge arrays covering hundreds of square miles. There is considerable equipment in their to raise the voltage for long distance transmission and conversion to sixty cycle. All that electronic equipment generates considerable electromagnetic radiation over a large area which can cause cancer for those in the vicinity. It is the same concern as with cell phones.
     
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    I guess we are back to that advantage to going to college. A battery cell can only produce about 1.5 volts. It has something to do with chemical properties. It is the same reason that there is a .7 volt drop over semiconductor junctions. Technically a battery is a collection of things. Thus electrical batteries are collections of cells. In a 6 volt battery, there are 4 cells and 8 cells in a 12 volt battery. The world's largest battery would have the world's largest collection of cells.
     
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    All that we can capture, or ever hope to capture would be insignificant.
     
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    do you think we could genetically engineer an electric eel to make our cars run? Volta learned how batteries work from electric eels
     
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    In general it is much more efficient to use large cells rather than a large numbers of small cells. Bussing large numbers of small cells uses up considerable energy. Also, by the way, the voltage per cell depends on the chemistry used. A lead acid battery is about 1.5 volts and a nickel cadmium cell is over two volts per cell.
     
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    Are you upset that Trevor Noah was making fun at how stupid our president is? I mean, how can Trump be so stupid as to think that the sound from a windmill causes cancer.

    The thing about Trump is, give him 5
    minutes, and he will show you how ignorance he is, how dishonest he is, and how much he really hates people who come from south of the border.
     
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    There are systems that use windmills to pump water up hill to a reservoir. The water then drops down through pipes into a water turbine, where it is pumped back up with the windmills

    Kinetic energy is things moving. Electricity is a type of energy all it's own
    The energy comes not in motion, but in electrical charge.
     
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    Thanks, I know that.
     
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    no I'm just saying the only reason people watch Trevor Noah is because the sandwich it in between South Park reruns or Chappelle show reruns.

    I think it's kind of funny how seriously you take allI think it

    I think you mean ignorant not ignorance.

    or how easily he can bait an outrage mob.
     
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    Not true. You could have a million volts but still have very little energy.

    And by the way, electrical energy is generally considered to fall under the category of mechanical or kinetic energy because there is nearly a one to one efficiency in converting it to other forms of mechanical or kinetic energy. For example there are theoretical limits to the efficiency of internal combustion engines. It is usually on the order of about 30% or so. The efficiency of an electric motor approaches one hundred percent.
     
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    Hmm, seems like somebody fact checked that.

    What's True
    A book co-edited by Thomas Homer-Dixon contained a passage stating that windmills "might never generate as much energy as was invested in building [them]." This passage was written by David Hughes.

    What's False
    Hughes didn't make that statement of all windmills, and he allowed that some could recoup their construction costs in three years or less.


    You don't put solar panels in the shade either.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wind-idiot-power/
     
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    Molten salt is being used now instead of batteries.
    [​IMG]

    https://www.aiche.org/chenected/2015/05/molten-salt-storage-forefront-solar-tech-evolution
     
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    Other way around.
     
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    It is painful to even watch him. The US has been reduced to a sad joke.
     
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    Maybe
    But, truly I did read a scholarly paper on the idea.


    I do not like Wind Energy.
    Okay for powering a home or a couple,
    but like solar energy farms, Wind Energy farms are just too much.


    Ecological Disasters written off because they carry the GREEN Label
    ignoring the bird carcasses. Even protected species.

    When was the last time someone built something along the idea of the
    Turkish Spain Dutch Wind Mill where the blade has low RPM and
    acts as a "flywheel" via its' weight/mass.
    I'm sure someone determined not as efficient, but has anyone built one lately?
    Not identical but, low RPM, heavy blade acting as a flywheel.

    Inquiring minds want to know.


    Moi
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