Windmills!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by clarkeT, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Based upon what ASSUMPTIONS?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are getting as much out of the lakes as they can because hydro power is the least expensive. You are going to have to increase the area and volume of lakes by a factor of ten. Just a wild guess, but probably as close as we can get unless you have a better way of estimating.
     
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    Then we are blessed... I give you... The Great Lakes. If you want to think big, think bigger... China does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
     
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    Nuclear energy is the answer to all of our energy issues. But there’s enough crazy old “no nukes” people around to stop that from happening.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    IOW's you just made that up because you have no factual data whatsoever.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Come up with a better calculation. Otherwise you are just hoping.
     
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    Unless it is a certain type that doesn't create the 1,000's of year half life of nuclear waste, I would be all for it... but right now it is the nuclear waste, transportation and storage of it that concerns the average person... it is no cleaner or better than what our current fossil fuel infrastructure creates. I've heard of a certain nuclear power plant that uses molten salt as a coolant and the nuclear half life is much less, and no chance of a melt down... can't think of the actual name of it...
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Wrong again!

    YOU made your bogus allegation without any factual data so the onus is entirely on YOU to substantiate it otherwise you forfeit your position.
     
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    And your evidence to support that claim comes from a cartoon that does your thinking for you.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you have zilch.
    Gonna dig a big pit? But like I said earlier a lot of infrastructure construction on a scale we have not seen in centuries.
     
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    Here. Learn something.

    https://electrek.co/2019/02/18/tesla-big-battery-pay-for-itself/

    And if you think this is a one off, consider the fact that the electric power industry all over the world has taken note.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/othe...re-e2-80-99s-who-is-doing-them-now/ar-BBVM4he

    https://www.financialexpress.com/in...rks-new-projects-after-promising-run/1403816/

    http://earthtechling.com/worlds-largest-solar-battery-storage-bank/
     
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    You are aware that the same thing goes on at every coal, natural gas, nuclear and hydroelectric facility too, are you not?
     
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    The largest windmills from Spain are less than 1/2 that size, and most steel in use now is recycled, and that steel will be recycled again. About 40 scrap cars per windmill. And to make 80 ton of steel it takes about 50 tons coal. it takes a ton of coal to generate 2500 KW per hour or two days to go through the 50 tons. Consevatively the 80 ton steel windmill will make 3 kw per hour or 26,000 megs per year so it would take two years to get clean energy
     
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    The banks love windmills, and so does the electric power industry.
     
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    You'd have to take that up with the farmers who lease easements to windmill companies.

    The farmers I know are quite anxious to do so, as little actual land is used, and the surrounding land can be cultivated as it always has been. And having income from a lease on a windmill is a far steadier source of income than a rusted oil pump.
     
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    And when the wind don't blow?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Unlike you I am not pulling bovine excrement from my nether regions and flinging it around without any clue as to whether there is any factual basis to support it.

    But that is entirely YOUR problem, not mine.
     
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    That depends... I'm no engineer, but I had come up with ideas about using reservoirs locally, built big enough to sustain towns and small cities, or even small reservoirs for large buildings... even a personal swimming pool could be constructed to power a home. Remember that once a two tiered reservoir is built, the water within it can be closed looped and self sustained, and the higher reservoir supplied by solar and wind generating electricity for a pump to supply the water for the top reservoir. The biggest problem with our current chemical storage is low periods of voltage... when a chemical battery is partially charged, let's just do a 12 volt battery... it's peak charge is at 12.6, but it is at a lower charge at 11.5 volts... solar and wind that day maybe generating only 10 volts, not enough to charge the battery at all, but enough to run a pump to constantly still be refilling a storage tank...

    "One day, it may be possible to use this extra energy (or extra intermittent wind and solar) to charge conventional battery systems. But right now, the world’s largest conventional batteries don’t even come close to the production or storage capacity achieved by a large pumped storage plant like Bath County. Given the current state of conventional batteries, it is much cheaper to pump water up a hill."

    This was my want for my personal use, so I could get away from chemical batteries... admittedly for me, it is too costly at this time to try to start.

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    fake news

    next they will be telling us the whooshing sound from windmills causes cancer
     
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    I have about twenty five or thirty years experience as an engineer with batteries and power systems.
     
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    Which obviously means nothing.

    Since you are hiding behind that instead of addressing the facts I posted (which I doubt you are even familiar with).

    The Hornsdale project has succeeded beyond all expectations, and did so within a matter of months. There is a stampede underway to do similar project all over the world.

    So, whatever your experience as an engineer may be, the economic of the electric power industry are set to be transformed from the one you take for granted.
     
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    Like I tell all the other flat earth types. Store the energy in a battery farm and sell it back to the grid at peak rates.
     
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    You people have been a virtual goldmine of misinformation.
     

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