Wisconsin Recall Walker Movement Collects More Than 507,000 Signatures In 30 Days

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  1. gamewell45

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    In a live webcast Thursday the Wisconsin Democratic Party said the people of Wisconsin have already collected nearly enough signatures to recall Governor Scott Walker.


    http://www.laborradio.org/Channels/Story.aspx?ID=1627300

    If things go according to plans, Gov. Walker will be facing a recall election.
     
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    From what I have been reading about the issue in WI it looks like the governor has done a pretty good job. Budgets are improving, taxes are being decreased, school systems are able to spend money more wisely; it looks like a good thing to me...

    If it is the will of the people though then it should be done. I just don't know what they want to go back in the red. Did WI have a mass influx of people from California?
     
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    I guess it depends on one's perspective. I know most labor people have a very dim view of him and his policies; either way enough of them to register their displeasure.

    I doubt they are from California; most people from California have it much better (labor laws) then the rest of the country.
     
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    The question isn't if they have collected enough signatures, the question will be, have the collected enough VALID signatures.
     
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    And California is leading the nation. The problem is, it's in the wrong direction.
     
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    "MADISON — “Mickey Mouse,” “Adolf Hitler” and “X” all will be considered valid recall-petition signatures under the state Government Accountability Board’s initial review, if they are accompanied by a proper address and complete date.



    “X” is an acceptable signature, David Buerger, co-leader of the GAB’s Recall Strategic Response team, told the board Tuesday.

    But it’ll be up to those questioning the validity of recall petitions to challenge legally any suspect signatures, such as Hitler’s, which Buerger said did appear on one of the petitions to recall a state senator last summer. In that instance, “Adolf Hitler” was invalidated, because the signer listed an address in Germany."
    http://www.wisconsinreporter.com/gab-hitler-can-sign-a-wi-recall-petition

    Fraud is endemic with some. And we sure don't want people showing ID when they sign petitions.
     
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    Do invalid signatures prove anything?
     
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    Fraud? Oh, wait. Democrats? Labor unions? Fraud? Get outta here.

    I know it's tough for a union person to grasp but cheering 507,000 signatures is rather pointless if 506,000 are bogus.

    If extortion doesn't work, go for fraud. It's the liberal way.
     
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    I guess when one has no valid argument some will fall back on wild slurs and crazy accusations.

    Facts and logic don't seem to exist on the radical right.
     
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    I see you got your talking points. Thousands of signatures collected are meaningless if they're bogus. Does that point escape you?
     
  11. stonehorse

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    But thousands of signatures are not bogus. It's ridiculous to think they would be.

    The worst examples of election fraud I've ever seen were in the 2000 SCOTUS decision to not count the votes in Florida and the 2004 Ohio election.

    It's not signatures that's the problem. It's changing the vote count. That seems to belong to the righties.
     
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    Only people on the radical right despise public unions?

    When a person cannot fathom that intelligent, rational people disagree with them they resort to personal attacks and clueless, baseless accusations.
     
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    I assume you weren't around for the 2000 election. Liberal media outlets sent flunkies to Florida to uncover the fraud and, oops, it was the Democrats. They didn't want to recount votes in Florida. No, just in certain countie in Florida. Then they wanted to ignore how the people voted and use the secret liberal psychic ability to decide how they intended to vote. My personal favorite was the ballot designed by a Democrat committee that was, according to Democrats, responsible for diesnfrhanchizing voters.

    Pitiful try, Stonehorse, but you need to get your story straight. But, you're right when you say the number of valid signatures is the issue. Unfortunately, the Democrats have rigged the systme so there is no chance to prove they're fraudulent. Election fraud is a long and honorable, for Democrats, tradition.

    They will try to rig the election, too, of course, but that is, even with Democrat experience and expertise, a little more difficult. Let's see how that goes and how many indictments come up.
     
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    That is correct.
     
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    Too bad you didn't read the results of an investigation funded by a consortium of newspapers, including the New York Times and the Chicago Tribune.

    They found that if only the counties that Gore specified were recounted Bush came out ahead. But if all the counties in Florida were recounted Gore would have won.

    So actually the Supreme Court banned the actual winner of the 2000 presidential election from taking office and installed a man who was not selected by the voters.
     
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    You must be reading right-wing news.

    Scott Walker and his Fitzwalkerstan followers must love the color red. Despite the lies you may see with political ads produced from out-of-state agencies paid for by the Koch Brothers, Karl Rove and shadow astroturf superPACs, Walker’s policies clearly are not working. He and his cronies can try to spin that it’s not their fault, but after slashing many public sector jobs or implementing policies that have made it harder to bring jobs into Wisconsin, failure is the only result.

    Walker brags about how the private sector is where his economic focus is to produce jobs. We call that an epic fail.

    Wisconsin lost private-sector jobs for the fifth consecutive month in November, the same months that the nation has been adding private-sector jobs, according to a report Thursday from the state Department of Workforce Development.

    The state lost an estimated 11,700 private-sector jobs in November from October, the deepest since April 2009, when the nation was in the throes of the recession. The figures are based on a monthly government survey of employers and adjusted to smooth out recurring seasonal factors, such as winter-related slowdowns in construction or holiday hiring by retailers.

    The government sector, meanwhile, continued to lose jobs at the city and county level, as it has for much of the past two years. All told, the state lost an estimated 14,600 nonfarm jobs when the losses in the private sector are combined with the losses in the public sector.

    http://scottwalkerwatch.com/2011/12...row-as-walker-recall-efforts-steamroll-ahead/









    Walker says his legislation, which would strip most state employees of any meaningful collective bargaining rights, is necessary to close the state's $137 million budget gap. There are a number of problems with that argument, though. The unions are not to blame for the deficit, and stripping unionized workers of their collective bargaining rights won't in and of itself save any money. Walker says he needs to strip the unions of their rights to close the gap. But public safety officers' unions, which have members who are more likely to support Republicans and who also tend to have the highest salaries and benefits, are exempted from the new rules. Meanwhile, a series of tax breaks and other goodies that Walker and the Republican legislature passed just after his inauguration dramatically increased the deficit that Walker now says he's trying to close. And Wisconsin has closed a much larger budget gap in the past without scrapping worker organizing rights.

    What's really going on, as Kevin Drum has explained, is pure partisan warfare: Walker is trying to de-fund the unions that form the backbone of the Democratic party. The unions and the Democrats are, of course, fighting back.

    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/whats-happening-wisconsin-explained





    Wisc has lost jobs since Walker became Governor.
     
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    Oh yeah, I guess it was invalid signatures that got those two Wisc state Senators recalled! Ha,ha!
     
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    They're targetting more than the required amount not really because of fraud but other procedural things. I fully expect him to be recalled.
     
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    He most certainly will, especially since he lies about the number of jobs created under him, when the fact is that Wisc has lost jobs.
     
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    Stonehorse: Just for you.

    "Florida Ballot Project recounts

    The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, sponsored by a consortium of major United States news organizations, conducted a Florida Ballot Project comprehensive review of all ballots uncounted (by machine) in the Florida 2000 presidential election, both undervotes and overvotes, with the main research aim being to report how different ballot layouts correlate with voter mistakes. The total number of undervotes and overvotes in Florida amounted to 3% of all votes cast in the state. The findings of the review were reported by the media during the week after November 12, 2001.

    The NORC study was not primarily intended as a determination of which candidate "really won". Analysis of the results found that different standards for the hand-counting of machine-uncountable ballots would lead to differing results. The results according to the various standards were reported in the newspapers which funded the recount, such as The Miami Herald[26] and the Washington Post.[27]

    Candidate outcomes based on potential recounts in Florida presidential election 2000
    (outcome of one particular study)[28][clarification needed]

    Review method

    Winner

    Review of all ballots statewide (never undertaken)
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    Standard as set by each county canvassing board during their survey

    Gore by 171



    •

    Fully punched chad and limited marks on optical ballots

    Gore by 115



    •

    Any dimples or optical mark

    Gore by 107



    •

    One corner of chad detached or optical mark

    Gore by 60



    Review of limited sets of ballots (initiated but not completed)





    •

    Gore request for recounts of all ballots in Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia counties

    Bush by 225



    •

    Florida Supreme Court of all undervotes statewide

    Bush by 430



    •

    Florida Supreme Court as being implemented by the counties, some of whom refused and some counted overvotes as well as undervotes

    Bush by 493



    Unofficial recount totals





    •

    Incomplete result when the Supreme Court stayed the recount (December 9, 2000)

    Bush by 154



    Certified Result (official final count)





    •

    Recounts included from Volusia and Broward only

    Bush by 537


    [edit] Media based

    Following the election, recounts conducted by various United States news media organizations indicated that Bush would have won if certain recounting methods had been used (including the one favored by Gore at the time of the Supreme Court decision) but that Gore might have won under other scenarios.[29]

    After the election, USA Today, The Miami Herald, and Knight Ridder commissioned accounting firm BDO Seidman to count undervotes, that is, ballots which did not register any vote when counted by machine. BDO Seidman's results, reported in USA Today, show that under the strictest standard, where only a cleanly punched ballot with a fully removed chad was counted, Gore won by three votes.[30] Under all other standards, Bush won, with Bush's margin increasing as looser standards were used. The standards considered by BDO Seidman were:
    Lenient standard. Any alteration in a chad, ranging from a dimple to a full punch, counts as a vote. By this standard, Bush won by 1,665 votes.
    Palm Beach standard. A dimple is counted as a vote if other races on the same ballot show dimples as well. By this standard, Bush won by 884 votes.
    Two-corner standard. A chad with two or more corners removed is counted as a vote. This is the most common standard in use. By this standard, Bush won by 363 votes.
    Strict standard. Only a fully removed chad counts as a vote. By this standard, Gore won by 3 votes.

    The study remarks that because of the possibility of mistakes, it is difficult to conclude that Gore was surely the winner under the strict standard. It also remarks that there are variations between examiners, and that election officials often did not provide the same number of undervotes as were counted on Election Day. Furthermore, the study did not consider overvotes, ballots which registered more than one vote when counted by machine.

    The study also found that undervotes break down into two distinct types, those coming from punch-card using counties, and those coming from optical-scan using counties. Undervotes from punch-card using counties give new votes to candidates in roughly the same proportion as the county's official vote. Furthermore, the number of undervotes correlates with how well the punch-card machines are maintained, and not with factors such as race or socioeconomic status. Undervotes from optical-scan using counties, however, correlate with Democratic votes more than Republican votes. Optical-scan counties were the only places in the study where Gore gained more votes than Bush, 1,036 to 775.

    A larger consortium of news organizations, including the USA Today, the Miami Herald, Knight Ridder, the Tampa Tribune, and five other newspapers next conducted a full recount of all ballots, including both undervotes and overvotes. According to their results, under stricter standards for vote counting, Bush won, and under looser standards, Gore won.[31] However, a Gore win was impossible without a recount of overvotes, which he did not request, but may have occurred, as faxes discovered after the media recount, being sent to and from Judge Terry Lewis to canvassing boards around Florida, who was overseeing the recount effort were discovered by indicated that Judge Lewis clearly intended to have the overvotes counted, in which case Gore emerges the victor.[32]"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ction_in_Florida,_2000#Recount_irregularities
     
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    Texas walker Texas Ranger movenment is ggod for hollywood. But it is not a real deal
     

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