With all of this talk about election fraud, has anyone considered this?

Trump was the worst president ever, and the most disliked. He was not liked by his own party. So how did he manage to garner 75,000,000 votes in the election if he was so disliked and unpopular. I think there was voter fraud, it was widespread in favor of
trump, and it failed. That would explain a lot. For instance, people often accuse people of doing the wrong things that they are doing or have done. Fits Trump, don't you think?

 

The first two sentences: yepp.

The bolded sum: this is incorrect. Trump did not garner 75,000,000 votes. He garnered 74.2 million votes. That is 800,000 less votes than you just stated.
On the other side, Joe Biden garnered 81.3 million votes, having bested loser Trump by +7.1 million votes.

As for widespread voter fraud in favor of Trump, that is every bit as unlikely as voter fraud in favor of Joe Biden. This kind of widespread voter fraud would require the willing collusion of hundreds of thousands of poll workers from both parties. So, although I find the idea interesting, I also find it very unlikely.

 

Or perhaps all the info that you have about his popularity, or lack of it, was false. The Times did admit that there was a conspiracy by a cabal (their words, not mine) of people to oust Trump after all. They used everything that they could from suppressing information to changing the rules. All in the name of "fortifying the election".

 

I thought Trump was a great president. The rally I went to in Des Moines had over 5,000 people by the looks of it.

 

Take away California and Biden loses 11+ million votes.

Trump had 6+ million votes from California.

11-6= 5 million votes. 7-5=2. So Biden was only ahead in the other 49 states by about 2 million votes and that includes New York City and Chicago. He barely beat Trump in several battle ground states.

Per electorial college it was a landslide but those numbers are misleading. Take away California and New York and Trump wins the election.

He won like 80% of the counties in 2016 and was close to that I believe in 2020. Biden's win was no more spectacular than Trumps in 2016 and both parties saw a record number of votes in 2020. Trump added about 10 million new votes from 2016 and won many house seats so he still did good.

 

Not only that but the degree to which Trump was in denial - almost as if someone (?Putin) had assured him the fix was in when it wasn’t.

Trump KNEW he KNEW Putin helped him get elected in 2016 and he was expecting the same boost in 2020 and THAT is why he said nothing when the bounties were put on American troops and nothing when Russia launched its cyberattack. In five, ten years we will hear the true story of how the Russians were outmanoeuvred in the 2020 election

 

It would not matter if it were 10 votes - Trump LOST

 

Out of how many in the state? I mean rock concerts get more audience and you would hardly vote for Justin Bieber as president

 

Wait, are you trying to say that California and New York somehow do not belong to the Union, that because they are big states, they don't count?

Holy ****ing Jesus on a Pogo-stick, what kind of "logic" is that?

"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Mommy, Mommy, if you don't count all the times I stuck chewing gum under my bed-frame, then I didn't stick any chewing gum there!!"

I mean, seriously, that is some Defcon 1 1st grader material, right there.

Damn.

 

Fascinating points. Trump did not outdo "W." to become the worst President, but was more than sufficiently "lamentable". The rest of the post is amusingly interesting.

 

Good debate tactic. Turn the argument around to blame the blamers. However neither side can ever know the truth without a serious investigation. So neither side will ever know the truth.

 

Threads that start with opinion misrepresented as facts are not worth anything but ridicule.

 

Yet could hardly get 80 to attend a "rally" and most were "reporters" and staff....lol

 

How many tuned in virtually?

Rallies only count the enthusiastic. The rest - those who do not feel the need to act like a starry eyed teen use more cerebral means to evaluate competence and Trump lost because the majority saw him as extraordinarily incompetent

 

Take away Texas and Trump loses 5.8 million votes.

what is your point?

 

Counties do not vote. And winning a county with fewer people that my son's senior class is not really all that impressive.

 

I made my point in my post. Was it not obvious to see?

Also the Democrats had 5.2 million votes in Texas so take that away from 5.8 and that leaves you .6 million for Trump. Not a big advantage. Again the Democrats without California only had about 2 million more votes then Trump in the remaining 49 states.

That 80 million vote number for Biden is not all that impressive and does little for the electorial college because 11 million of them are in California alone. California has about 15 million Latino/Hyspanic people living there so I'm surprised Biden did not get more votes there.

 

Clearly not

So, what you are saying it was still very impressive that Biden could beat Trump without even adding in the votes from the biggest state in the union?

Biden won the EC vote in a historical landslide. At least that is what Trump said about the margin of victory in the EC

 

How does it escape common attention that the very fact the duopoly offers only likes of "W"., "O"., "T" and "B" is itself a gross form of fraud?

 

Obviously you think there is a national popular vote and Biden won by 80 million votes and you would be wrong.

 

No, but apparently you can convince yourself of anything by arbitrarily removing states from the vote totals. Kinda weird and completely illogical.

 

The EC is all that matters. There is no national popular vote. There is 50 individual votes for the EC. Someone said Biden won by 7+ million votes over Trump but those came from mostly California. Biden beat Trump in all remaining 49 states by 2 million votes and that includes NYC and Chicago.

Again Biden won in a landslide but barely beat Trump in a number of battleground states making it a close election. Same thing happened to Trump in 2016.

Biden's 80 million vote win was not that impressive. Even if California gave him 200 million votes it would still not matter.

Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were all close elections.

New York:
5 m Biden
3 mTrump

Callifornia:
11 m Biden
6 m Trump

16 million Biden
9 Million Trump

80-16= 64 million.
74-9=65 million.

So Biden had more votes then Trump nationally due to California and New York. Take those away and Trump is actually ahead so again not that impressive for Biden.

Trump had leads in red states but none of them were over 600,000 votes as far as I know.

This is why Democrats want the EC removed. California and New York would forever controll our elections.

 

I was pointing out that Biden did not really do that great except in a few states.

 

yes, states with a whole lot of people.

While it is impressive that Trump won the county with 400 people, it seems more impressive to win a state with 97,000 times more people that that county.

 

Indeed.