With all that's going on in Canberra

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  1. LeftRightLeft

    LeftRightLeft Well-Known Member

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    Well I think that the LNP have decided to commit suicide.
    It seems no one here seems interested?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is going on?
     
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    Yes they are done.

    An inevitable split looms in years to come. This split will also see the end of the Nats who will be absorbed into the Conservatives or other fringe dwelling parties.

    If it were to happen it may also erode the right of the Labor party who are increasingly becoming outnumbered by the left. They are trying to hold onto their core base voter in the face of changing Labor values that seem to alienate the average blue collar voter.

    Shorten has done a good job of holding this split together, but then again the Libs have their heads so far up their own backsides that no pressure has been applied from the outside to see how strong Shortens leadership really is.

    This is about to get ugly. Pass the popcorn please.
     
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    LeftRightLeft Well-Known Member

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    Yes I agree the coalition will split, it's been on the cards since the Country Party changed to the National Party. It was a change in name only.
     
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    LeftRightLeft Well-Known Member

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    The Liberals missed the only chance they had putting Morrison in instead of Bishop.
     
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    Nah, they missed when they went down the road of stabbing sitting prime ministers in the back. Doesn't matter if you liked Abbott, Turnbull, Bishop or Morrison they were on the nose once Turnbull stabbed Abbott, Almost losing an election from a previous smashing in one term. Turnbull was nothing of expectations and since they had already started playing political games to keep their job the trend was simply going to continue.


    The issue really was that they most likely would have lost the next election, although it was salvageable, stabbing Turnbull just pushed them to decimation. Cutting sitting days until the next budget, so they can try turn the sinking ship back to shore also does nothing to help the cause except maybe hiding bad news from the people in a hope to get through.

    All that to simply say, Bishop would have saved nothing. I would have prefered her but hey, I am just one person.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Hear hear!
     
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    In my opinion, if you took the 80% middle Australians, that is forget the 10% extreme right and left. They have their own little hate parties.

    The other 80% are the ones who decide the government.

    This 80% don't have an ideology but they know what they want from a government. They will collectively lean to the left or right depending on certain conditions, a good strong leader even if they don't agree with him/her, being a main one.

    The way things are going is the 80% will as always take the safest option. The lesser of two evils.

    I feel from talking to people that the 80% will be leaning left and unless the right has something to pull out the hat in the future and the left don't go too far. The hard right may find they have tainted themselves too much.
     
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    I just meant if Bishop had of been voted in back when she was offered up, maybe the circus we are seeing now would not have happened.
     
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    Oh, I had thought you meant that Bishop might have instilled some hope of recovery. Sorry I got that wrong.

    I don’t know about that either. I don’t think it mattered who got the job, nothing would change the charade we are seeing now. Due to the factional issues that have pushed all sides into open war within the party I still think you would have seen this Circus (I think your being generous). You have to remember the protagonists in this entire debacle are convinced they will be re-elected so they are not going to suffer.

    Really these fools still think the people are stuck in the 80’s with only two parties to vote for. They really don’t think the people will toss them to the curve, so why stop? Many are just sick of this BS from both sides. Still it would seem that Shorten continues to play stupid political games are still are overshadowed by this colossal cluster F***…
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    I think we will see the rise of One Nation and the rise of independents. Most people have had a gut full of the pathetic behavior of the major party politicians. Honestly, they are like a bunch of spoilt, selfish, squabbling primary school children. Most of them are at least millionaires who are completely out of touch with the life of the average working Australian. The idea of managing the country for the betterment of the people seems to be completely forgotten.
     
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    I think that Pauline has frightened off most people from voting for one nation.
    I think you're right about the rise of independents, and there'll be a rise In the number of small single issue parties.
    The major parties have scuppered themselves.
    A thing that puzzles me is how does Daniel Andrews roar along so successfully in Victoria?
    Is the answer( like 42) only jobs and getting stuff done?
     
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    Daniel Andrews is either rigging elections somehow or Victoria has a majority of brain dead fools.
     
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    Or he has the knack for running a successful election, and keeping people satisfied.
     
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    I don't think those grapes are ripe.
     
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    The Victorian public were’nt offered a better alternative. Simple as that.

    Like him or loathe him Andrews and Labor at least offered the people something positive, whether it is economically viable or not isn’t the point. He at least gave the people some vision and positivity.

    In contrast the Libs dealt up nothing but negative policy. Drumming on about how lawless and economically drained the state was. It was a bad sell and just continues the coalitions out of touch rhetoric.

    Andrews, who by the way I loathe, was a steadier and more confident salesman. He also concentrated on Melbourne where 4/5ths of the population resides. Smart politics.
     
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    Honestly, Andrews while stuffing up with some monumentally expensive decisions for Victoria. BUT unlike federal politics they have done what is exactly what they said they would. We might disagree but if some politician is actually going to do what they said, you cannot compete with that.

    That being said, who was opposition??? There seemed to be a problem with finding decent alternative in Victoria to stand up and stop wasteful policies such as changing hospital names because you don’t like the name given by previous government like in Queensland. The tax dollar to create a survey as well as the tax dollar used to rig the vote so you get the result you want so you can spend more of the tax dollar changing a name because of the most petty reasoning, the Coalition named it. I don’t know, but the issue there is the deliberate corrupt action of a sitting government. Victoria spent well over a billion dollars not to build a road, exactly what he promised but what a colossal waste of money that could have gone to other things. Why could they not capitalise on these types of things??? Because they have no credible alternative to Andrews.

    A lesson could be learnt from Victoria which is not the deceit the federal politicians want to spin on it. START DOING WHAT YOU PROMISE. Victorian people decided it was best to have people who do what they say rather than deceptive double talk. This sounds very much why the minor parties are making such a big move in governments…
     
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    Our nightmare is nearly over.
     
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    No it is not, we are about to replace one group of self-centred, egotistical, deceivers for another. We don't even have decent independents or honest minor parties who can actually come together on just one policy. I can see it only getting worse.
     
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    No garry I think the ALP have learned from the last few years. Bloody well hope so, anyway, for the sake of the country.
     
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    God I hope your right. Clearly, I don't agree that they have. Call it pessimism or bias, but with Shorten as leader, the person who turn blind eye to many despicable acts for political expediency. The policies promoted by the ALP and announcements have been far more detrimental to the lower end of town. Policies which reduce the opportunities for the poor and lower income earners which would force them into far more reliance on charity and welfare. All in an attempt to pretend they stand for social justice and for the poor.


    Since the beginning of their class warfare Shorten made many policies that in conjunction will be detrimental to the economy. So they will not be introducing changes in such drastic form.

    "it is now time for the ALP to earn the trust of the people" said Shorten in closing remarks at their convention... Does that infer that previously they have been deceiving the people???

    But we will see, and I hope your right about learning the lessons, about 100 years later but fingers crossed for the nation.
     
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