Witness in Trump-Ukraine Matter Ordered Not to Speak in Impeachment Inquiry

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The Trump administration directed a top American diplomat involved in its pressure campaign on Ukraine not to appear Tuesday morning for a scheduled interview in the House’s impeachment inquiry.

    “Ambassador Sondland is profoundly disappointed that he will not be able to testify today,” Mr. Luskin said. “Ambassador Sondland believes strongly that he acted at all times in the best interests of the United States, and he stands ready to answer the committee’s questions fully and truthfully.”
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/us/politics/sondland-trump-ukraine-impeach.html

    Just VOTE already.... America cannot take all this obstruction.

    There is ZERO justification for preventing an ambassador from appearing under a legitimate Congressional request for a deposition.

    Obviously, the House will have to subpoena this guy, like that will matter.

    They DON'T NEED THIS GUY to IMPEACH!!! This is Obstruction, pure and simple..

    Or does anybody want to argue otherwise??
     
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    Good. Dems should vote for impeachment first, until the entire House officially impeaches the President these Schiff, Nadler, Pelosi shenanigans are nothing more than a politically motivated unconstitutional fishing expedition and should be treated as such.
     
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    Ridiculous argument... Somebody will do better than that this AM, I'm sure...
     
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    When he's right, he's right.
     
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    Aha.. too bad that the dem lunatics in Congress have exactly 2 options - they can vote for impeachment and make it official and constitutional or they can take their subpoenas to Court and be laughed out of it.

    There is the 3rd option though - they and their liberal sycophants can continue bleating and whining and groaning and moaning and throwing temper tantrums until they are blue in the face, no one will care. The Russia hoax, Kavanaugh slander mob are at it again but they have no benefit of the doubt left to use.
     
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    Good grief. Columbia HCA did this when they were being investigated for 20 billion in Medicare Fraud.
     
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    Well, let us know when that happens, will ya?
     
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    So exercising the investigative powers levied to congress in the constitution is unconstitutional?

    That doesn’t sound right
     
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    Is this a surprise? Th President has made it clear until their is a vote, he won’t partake in the dems circus
     
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    The Constitution doesn't explicitly grant the Congress investigative powers. And impeachment is to be initiated by the vote of the entire House, not by fuehrer Pelosi and Adam "Goebbels" Schitt.

    That being said, whatever powers the legislative branch has, they are to be balanced against the unambiguously Constitutional separation of powers and the executive privilege.

    Schiff and Co will have to take their subpoenas to court i am afraid. Good luck to them lol
     
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    Well, since you admit that the President is obstructing and is acting like a mob boss that means that your posts on this are meaningless.
     
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    The White House is either calculating that it is better to risk another article of impeachment - obstruction - rather than have someone at the center of this betrayal tell his story...

    Or the White House is panicked as all hell and not really calculating rationally at all.
     
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    Not sure how he is "acting like a mob boss" - nor did I admit he was obstructing. There is nothing to obstruct....there is no formal inquiry because the Dems refuse to vote....this is nothing more then the Dems abusing their power and attempting to gain op-research for the DNC in the election
     
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    Why do you think the Constitution requires that the House vote on impeachment first before the Executive Branch is required to cooperate with the Congressional investigation?
     
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    And in the mind of most trump supporters, he is always right.

    Right?
     
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    Because oversight can’t happen without impeachment?
     
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    We can actually agree for once, this entire "impeachment inquiry" is total and utter BS, concocted by lying libs in Congress, there is no such thing.

    There is indeed an ongoing congressional investigation which prerogatives and limits aren't one iota different from any other Congressional investigation. This investigation isn't entitled to even one tiny bit of information other investigations are not entitled to.

    The cooperation between the branches is always a contentious issue and when there are disagreements between those branches, the matters are settled in Courts.

    So good luck to Schitt and Co in court, but if they show up there with claims of impeachment without having a House vote authorizating it, they will be laughed out of the court in a nanosecond.
     
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    Theres no requirement they vote to begin an inquiry, and it certainly isn’t up to the executive branch to tell the house their own rules lol
     
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    Go conduct some oversight...this however isn't for that...as Shifty and Nancy P have made clear
     
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    I said this in the other thread, but since this is on the same topic, I will say it here.

    This seems like an incredibly short sighted strategy.

    The Impeachment Inquiry already has the support from a majority of the House members and there is plenty of damaging information already out in the public realm. Preventing people from testifying just reeks of obstruction, and provides zero benefit especially in light of the fact that this guy was almost certainly going to defend Trump. After all, he is the one who tried to take the conversation off the record after making sure to echo the trump talking point.

    So what does Pelosi gain by rushing her members back from their districts to vote? Just let the obstruction continue to build and yell from the rooftop about the available evidence and obstruction, then get the members to vote.

    And then what does the White House do? Continue to obstruct in all likelihood, but now their lone excuse for obstructing has been crushed.
     
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    Without a vote from legal standpoint it's a routine Congressional investigation, not any different from gazillions of others, and the executive branch is free to cooperate with it to the extent their separation of powers and executive privilege rights aren't trampled on.

    Schitt and Co should just take it to Court.... or vote for impeachment which will greatly increase their (and Trump's) rights during the process.
     
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    Until the Democrats hold a vote, as has happened in EVERY instance of Impeachment prior, the Republicans should give them nothing.

    Why?

    Because, this means only one party is sending subpoenas. Where is the Republicans ability to subpoena witnesses that clear the President? This is not how Impeachment has ever worked in the history of the nation and shows it to just be a political theater as the Democrats are not serious, but looking to have their Orwellian Press repeat their targeted leaks and campaign of disinformation to the "Useful Idiots" that will follow and repeat their propaganda.
     
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    THEN HAVE A VOTE.
     
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    ...how is the impeachment inquiry not oversight? Calling witnesses, issuing subpoenas, holding hearings and negotiating for the appearance of other witnesses and documents all screams of oversight.

    Because they haven't taken the official vote amongst the full house?
     
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    Taunting the majority party who has the support of a significant majority of Americans....

    It's a bold move, Cotton! Let's see if it works out for them.
     
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