Wolf Discussion(keep it study based)

No I haven't, I absorbed, acknowledged, agreed with, or disagreed with almost every point on this thread. You actually just quoted a point I made, and then made the same point in your response in the form of an argument. A select few people have even acknowledged a few of the points I have brought up, but mostly you guys are just telling me over and over that wolves are part of the balance in the ecosystem which I agree with, and have MADE MYSELF several times.

 

it's verified the wolves have restored a healthy ecology to region they were introduced......

the elk population which the wolves prey upon are the same elk that they hunt in Canada...

so size/subspecies( which is debatable) is irrelevant as the canadian populations of wolves were migrating south regardless, reintroduction just speed up the process.

 

do you have a link?

 

this isn't new, wolves don't respect international borders they're filling a predatory void in the US, reintroduction only speeds up the process...the two dominate sub species in N America were the Mackenzie Valley Wolf and the Great Plains Wolf both hunt large prey elk, moose, bison... size of the wolf is irrelevant as they are pack hunters...

 

I didn't think you had a link. The link I'd like to see is the one stating that those wolves were migrating south. I posted links that back up everything I've said, show me your link.

The size does matter because it should allow them to have an easier time killing larger preys vs. if they were smaller. Also, even a bigger reason the different sub-species matters is because it's claimed that they are more aggressive and hunt in packs much larger in size. A pack of 7 100 lb. wolves aren't going to eat 1/2 the animals that a pack of 40 160 lb animals do. Impact would be quite a bit more different, and so would the management needed.

 

that's childish do I need to take you by the hand to show you how to do a web search? "wolf migration canada USA" four words is that so difficult?

wolf pack size is determined by availability of prey, it is directly dependent upon that, large packs would indicate a surplus of prey which counters your claims that they've destroyed their prey numbers...

the Great Plains wolf that still lives in some US states and eastern Canada weighs 60-110 lbs still found in Michigan Wisconsin and Minnesota ...the Mackenzie Valley Wolf(yellowstone) averages 85-145 lbs...both animals bring down elk, moose, deer and bison, size is not the criteria for bringing down large game it's pack hunting...only if there is an abundance of game will pack size grow past the average 9 members...neither wolf has destroyed elk populations in Canada...

 

The reason I ask for a link is that I couldn't find any such information either after you posted that info., or in any of the other 20+ hours of research I have done on the internet regarding this subject. I'd really appreciate a link, and seriously doubt anyone's ability to provide them. There are State Park research studies from Banf that show ungulates below their survival rate needed to survive. Like I said it's a study from the Canadian Government.

 

Post #7 has three studies that contradict your claims. Are you just making this stuff up?