Woman gets tased, hand-cuffed, and arrested for "not wearing a mask."

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  1. dairyair

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    It doesn't matter.
    I think that is the best way to handle that type of situation.

    An unruly fan doesn't follow the request to follow rules or leave, shuts down the game.

    In a baseball game, if a fan is heckling the umpire, the umpire kicks out the heckler. If the heckler isn't removed, the umpire halts the game until the offender is removed.

    I think that's an effective response. It will get other fans to enforce the policy.
     
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    The best way to handle it is to enforce the mandate and school rules and no you don't punish the kids out there on the field or all the fans in the stands because of one person acting like a arse. As I said the school board president was not threatening A game but the entire season if people did not wear their mask. There was no need for them to stop the game while this woman was removed calling even more attention to it and perhaps a riot in the stands.
     
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    There is not a parent alive that would allow the game to be forfeited because they are being unruly parent.
    They will comply so their kid can play the game.

    Nor will other parents allow 1 unruly parent to have a game forfeited.
    Halting the game or ending the season, both will have the same result.
    Ending the season also punishes the kids, even more than a 1 game forfeit.
     
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    Maybe you have seen a video other then the one posted in the OP, but there is no point where this woman is wearing a mask. The Video starts when the Resource officer attempts to take her into custody.

    Your response is why there are questions and doubts about the whole mask issue. You linked to an article that says one thing, but links to another article that clarifies the statement, That article linked to another article, and finally, there was a link to the actual Governor's Order that established the OHSAA rules. Here is a link to the actual order:
    https://content.govdelivery.com/att...attachments/1521949/Sports Order 08.19.20.pdf

    I direct your attention to page 5 subparagraph vi. It states that face covering will be worn at all times except for the reasons stated in the Governor's order dated July 23. 2020. The order goes on the specifically identify those that have breathing issues as bring exempt. So, if this woman can prove that she does have asthma, then she will be well within her rights to sue the Police and School Board. If she can not prove she has the condition, then she should be charged to the fullest extent of the law.

    In this day and age, you really can not take media reports at face value.
     
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    My statements are based on facts, and your are based on supposition. The Governor gave the citizens of he state an exception on the mask mandate for those with breathing issue. Asthma qualifies. So, if this woman does have asthma, the the arrest was illegal. As I just pointed out to Bluesguy, the OHSAA rules were issued by the Governor, and specifically included an exception for those with breathing issues. You can look at post number 279 for a link to that order.
     
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    If she was wearing a mask she wouldn't have been asked to leave.

    Exactly, and that makes the "mask" the issue and not the presence of the individual; just as your own analogy; where you make "shoes" the issue, and not the presence of the individual.

    The phony claim of "trespassing" is just a ruse used to criminalize the "maskless;" and in your analogy, to criminalize the "shoe wearer." When in fact, neither being maskless nor being a shoe wearer is a crime.

     
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    What seems at issue is whether the school district can impose stricter regulations by disallowing exemptions. The governor's order allows this, but the school's own order isn't clear, to me anyway. The city police department and school district have legal departments that approve of their policies, and I tend to think they're correct. It's entirely possible everybody is confused, and the woman was correct, but my money is on the school district.
     
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    Oh stop. The presence of the individual is the trespassing. Spinning words around isn't an argument.
     
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    Medical conditions are NONE of your or anyone else's business.
     
  10. pol meister

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    Only if they're maskless, which still makes the "mask" the issue, and not your phony claim of trespassing.
     
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    No shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service. Get over it.
     
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    When you are claiming an exemption to the law because of one they are, like a handicapped parking plate or placard or the little vest your service dog wears. She claimed she had asthma and therefore was not wearing a mask. Of course she still had to be wearing a face shield and the officer told her to go out and get hers else she could not be in the stands.
     
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    And as the officer told her if you cannot wear a mask then you must have on a face shield. She refused.

    "...Alecia Kitts was in the stands watching her son's football game in Logan, Ohio, on Wednesday when police say a school resource officer asked her to wear a mask. She refused, saying she had asthma. Logan police said Officer Chris Smith told her that if she didn't put her mask on, she would be asked to leave.

    In a news conference yesterday, Gov. Mike DeWine said Kitts was told that if she had asthma, she could get a face shield and come back for the game.

    "The female continually refused his request and Officer Smith advised her that if she refused to leave, she would be cited for trespassing and escorted off the property," the Logan Police Department said in a statement on Facebook.

    "After several attempts to get her to leave, Officer Smith advised her she was under arrest for criminal trespassing and asked her to place her hands behind her back multiple times and she refused."

    Video from the incident shows Kitts shouting, "Get off of me! You're not arresting me for nothing. I ain't doing nothing wrong! What the f--- is wrong with you, people?"

    The video did not capture the initial confrontation.

    Police say Smith tried to place her hand behind her back and Kitts resisted.

    "Officer Smith advised her to comply or he would deploy his Taser if she did not quit resisting. She continued to resist, and Officer Smith placed his Taser on her shoulder area and drive stunned her once," police said."
    https://news.google.com/articles/CA...ocv1CjCSptoCMPrTpgU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

    And BTW she was not having breathing problems as evidenced by her yelling and screaming and fighting and she had to be wearing a mask when she entered the stadium, for now I'll take her claims of asthma like those people who park in handicapped spaces and then go running through the store.
     
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    Violating school policy is not a criminal offense, neither is not wearing a mask. So try swallowing that down your throat for a while.
     
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    The governor should read what he signs. The latest directive from the Ohio Department of Health clearly states an exemption for those with respiratory issues, even as a spectator at a sporting event specifically. There is no mention of a shield being required as a substitute.

    Moreover, regarding shields, in mid-August the Ohio Department Of Health issued a directive that shield not be used as a substitute for a mask, citing the CDC.

    COLUMBUS – As schools get ready to start the 2020-21 academic year, the Ohio Department of Health is following federal guidance and prohibiting the schoolwide use of face shields as a substitute for facial coverings/masks. Such use of face shields does not comply with the Director’s Order Requiring the Use of Facial Coverings in Child Education Settings.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends against using face shields as a substitute for facial coverings or masks.

    The use of masks or face coverings is intended to reduce the spray of respiratory droplets from the wearer into the environment, onto another person, or onto a surface. The mask or cloth face covering should cover the nose, mouth, and chin with little to no gap.

    According to the CDC, “At this time, it is not known what level of protection a face shield provides to people nearby from the spray of respiratory droplets from the wearer. There is currently not enough evidence to support the effectiveness of face shields for source control. Therefore, CDC does not currently recommend use of face shields as a substitute for masks.”

    Ohio’s K-12 masking order states that “all students, faculty, and staff in any child care setting, school building, or other location that provides care or education to any child in kindergarten through grade twelve in the State of Ohio shall wear facial coverings at all times.” There are exemptions, including, but not limited to, individuals with medical conditions, when eating or drinking, and when playing at recess. The full list of exemptions is available in the order.

    https://odh.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov...-shields-not-appropriate-substitute-for-masks

    Here's a link to the directive specifically covering spectators at sporting events.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wl...w-ohio-sports-here-s-what-s-included/33636453 (the link is embedded in the article)

    The woman was clearly within her rights not to wear a mask as per the Ohio Department of Health directives, which the governor signed. The other issue is her resisting arrest, which was not smart. However, she is correct that she had done nothing wrong. I would like to see her get a lawyer and go after them for false arrest.

    If you think she's wrong, cite something official contradicting what I've posted. I've looked and can't find anything official that does.
     
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    Odd that “failure to comply” with a police officer can be ruled as an acceptable death sentence for SOME people.

    She clearly failed to comply
     
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    This is what Democrats wanted all along. People being forced to wear masks. They should be thrilled.
    This woman was an ass. She knew the rules and should have worn it or left peacefully. But Democrats have now taught us all that cops should be spat on and disrespected. Resist and fight. This is what the Left wants. Chaos.
     
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    If she was found without a mask sitting in the woods alone you would have a point. She was at a school game.
    Plus, at this stage of dealing with covid...if this woman had asthma she should have been prepared. Her resisting and arguing was just plain dumb.
     
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    No, you're wrong. (In fact, asking the purpose of a service dog is not allowed.) If someone has a medical condition, they state that, and that is where the discussion ENDS.
     
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    She might not want to risk a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the base of the skull.
     
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    Which is on the same level as "NO SERVICE DOGS" and is thus not legal.

    What, exactly, is not clear about the fact that a medical condition is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS?
     
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    Why does everyone stand by and let these cops do this? You think one cop can stand up to the community? They are to serve the community not terrorize it citizens. Stand up people. Not all cops are bad but ones like this who don't do the right thing need to be reminded who they serve.
     
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    What's to stop anyone from claiming they have asthma?
     
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    What happened to "failure to comply"?

    Does that only apply to black folks?
     

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