Woman raped on a train, bystanders did nothing

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I saw a video documentary about it. Apparently it's right next to Chicago, and would theoretically be a great place for many businesses to relocate to and still be nearby Chicago, except many people don't want to live there because it still has a bad reputation from the 1980s.
    "Supposedly" it's not as bad anymore, and they're trying to convince people from Chicago to relocate there, to try to reinvigorate the community. Lots of abandoned homes, a little bit like Detroit.
     
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    we should include plan b in all rape kits imo
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That word has lost any objective meaning. I try not to use it.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The state of Pennsylvania has a unique feature in their Constitution which guarantees gun rights EXCEPT for the area around Philadelphia.

    This is very cynical but there probably was a reason for that...
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Really? Who told you that? You seem confused about facts.
     
  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So Liberal's "solution" to this problem is to have women pop Plan B pills?
    Really??
     
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  7. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm strongly guessing you don't live in the US.
     
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    So is that just a fancy way of saying "Dems Bad!"...:bored:
    And, you are WRONG about what I may think.

    It DOESN'T "tick me off"

    And Sorry, that sort of overused "contribution" won't cut it in this discussion.
    You will have to do better.

    And no "Democrat votes have consequences; never good for the common folk"?

    ^It seems like adding that obligatory "go-to phrase" would have been a no-brainer in any sort of "Nobody on Train intervened because 'Dems Bad!'" narrative.

    In any event, I hope more details from this incident emerge.
    After all, it is on tape.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well... they do have certain problems, and certain types of patterns keep popping up.

    There are already LOTS of details.

    Did you read those two articles?
    I don't see what other details you want. Maybe you just have a hard time imagining that this could actually happen.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I went to college with a woman who lived near there and had worked at a restaurant in Gary. She found murder victims in the dumpster where she worked there on two separate occasions. This would've been roundabout the late 90's
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Manhattan is like the super-gentrified part of New York City. In fact the entire city of New York has been greatly gentrifying over the last 25 years. Very different from how it was in the 1970 and 80s.

    Your profile says "Grew up in CT, moved to NJ, now in MD"
    I don't believe you could live in this area and be this naive.

    Have you visited Trenton and Camden? How about Baltimore at night?
     
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    Every city in the world changes over time, obviously some establishments carry on, but areas are all in flux. Guaranteed to happen since all structures wear over time. Property values are increasing everywhere. While certain spots vary at times, all are increasing over time, of course some faster than others.
     
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    Words can't even describe how bad Gary truly is.

    You can smell how bad it is, you can even taste how bad it is. Seriously, the "tang" of rust is in the air you breathe from the decaying steel mills.

    U.S._STEEL_PLANT_-_NARA_-_547097_(retouched).jpg

    Gary is a place that needs to be seen(and tasted) to be disbelieved.

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    The only way Gary is getting "better" is because it's rapidly depopulating, and there's less people to commit, and fall victim to, crime.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Off-topic but an interesting article about where exactly the smell of rust comes from:
    The nose knows: Where does the smell of rust come from? | New Scientist

    Apparently there are lots of Fe+2 ions in the air from all that rusting steel.
    On the skin there are lots of unsaturated lipids that naturally react with oxygen in the air in the presence of light to form something called hydroperoxides. Fe+2 ions catalyze and reduce these hydroperoxides into ketones, a certain type that has an extremely strong metallic smell at very low concentrations.
     
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    I never said democrat voters
     
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    I grew up in a dying mill town in the rust belt of upstate NY, so I know what the "bloody tang" of rust in the air tastes like, but that didn't in any way prepare me for what it's like in Gary, Indiana.

    If the wind is blowing right, you feel like you're involved in some sort of poison gas attack.

    And if you get a good look around in Gary, you'll quickly realize that the poison air is the least of your health and safety concerns.

    It's some seriously post-apocalyptical stuff.
     
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    Actually I am back in NJ. Yes I have been to Baltimore at night.

    There is crime in every city.
     
  19. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds a little like you are trying to minimize it or brush it under the rug.
    I guess sometimes it's easy to not really see things we don't want to.
     
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    it wasn’t the leaders there. It was people. All our “leaders” (snicker) in both parties are liars and crooks. I expect more out of common citizens than from our “leaders”.

    policies don’t make people ignore a rape happening in front of them. This is not on any politician, for once. This is on the people who saw this happening and just let it happen. No one can legislate courage to do the right thing.
     
  21. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Philadelphia is kind of like a "dying city" too, except it's on permanent life support.
    It's too important of a city and has too much history to die. It's also the biggest city between New York City and Washington D.C., arguably the two most important cities in the country.

    Much like the people you can see walking the city's streets, it's kind of like a zombie.
     
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    Not sure it debunks the problem of people might help but for thinking someone else is helping.

    The money quote appears to be, "Finally, there is the ironic fact, which somehow has slipped through the cracks, that the killer of Genovese was ultimately captured as a result of the intervention of two bystanders." But does that debunk the idea that this young woman was raped and murdered and no one did anything to stop it? That some of them had access to guns and still did not go to her aid when she was screaming and being murdered? It sounds like assistance was finally given after the fact, meaning the material issue still exists.

    I do think something new is happening. More than ever before, I think those trying to help, who might have tried to stop this rape, justifiably fear retaliation if they even try to help.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The fact that probably half the passengers on the train, in that area, were high on weed or under the influence of fentanyl, probably played a role too.

    That part of Philadelphia is bad enough, but people who would ride a train and don't have a car tend to be on the very lowest rungs of the economic scale.
    Either that or they are chronic alcoholics and their license to drive had previously been revoked from them in the past.
    The victim herself was intoxicated and told police she couldn't even remember what happened and blacked out. She claimed she had had several beers after getting off work, but who knows, it could have been something else too.
     
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    or they are saving the planet by riding public transit
     
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    If it would've been me, I would have splattered his brains all along the side of the train so the surrounding crowd would've had quite the video.

    Then I probably would've been arrested for a hate crime against a minority.
     
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