woman sent to prison for "sexual assault" for misrepresenting her gender

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She's an IDIOT for not ever physically seeing, touching or smelling the person she had sex with. Have you ever had sex with someone you never had any contact with until you were blindfolded?

    The blind person would be an idiot if she never touched the person she was having sex with, until the moment sex started.

    The whole thing smells, start to finish. The definition of rape is getting larger.

    We will soon be at the point where two people need to see a judge and swear that the affidavits they are signing are true, or else rape. I don't want to live in that world.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It says that we, as a society, are losing focus on what rape actually is. Rape is violent, nasty and unwelcomed. If she was raped, why did she continue to have sex for two years? The moment that person left the house after the first rape, she should have called a cop.

    A raped woman KNOWS she was raped.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I will not disagree with you that she's an idiot. But she was shown a picture, which was who she thought she was dating, and she was tricked.

    This is a story that I overheard: Some guys (probably in their late 20s or early 30s) went off to Thailand to "have a good time" and were drinking lots of alcohol, it was getting towards the end of the night, and they came to one place that had glory holes and the guy thought he was going to get sucked so he put it in. Well, some minutes after he got sucked, they saw a boy who looked like he might have been 13 come out from behind the wall. Apparently it was cheaper for the owner of the establishment to hire a boy than actual women and thought that none of the patrons would know or care. (Maybe the female sex worker who normally worked there didn't show up and the owner needed an emergency replacement that night so got some random kid off the street?) The guy who got sucked was very embarrassed and his buddies never let him forget it and kept laughing about it.

    So here is another example of a guy who got tricked.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree she was tricked. Being tricked is not rape. If being tricked is rape, than any condition someone puts on sex becomes criteria, as I've said. He tricked me into thinking he was a master gardener. I only have sex with master gardeners. He lied. RAPE.

    If one "trick" is rape, than all tricks are rape.

    She's embarrassed for enjoying sex with a woman. A mostly heterosexual jury agreed with her, simply because of the "ewww" factor.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, I agree with you. We need to draw a big distinction between the two.
    And there is a risk (which is already happening, in my opinion) that if we call all sorts of other things rape that it will end up making real rape be viewed as less serious.

    So there is a difference between "rape" and "rape rape".
    But there can still be milder versions of rape where the woman did not realize she was being raped at the time, but knows it afterwards.

    There is a spectrum of different kinds of rape, some much worse than others.
    (For example, if a husband rapes his wife, even though they just had consensual sex last night, that is obviously not anywhere near as serious as a woman being assaulted by a stranger in a dark alley)

    And by the way, not all rape is actually "violent". Sometimes women can be intimidated into it.
    read this thread: Another case of Australia's sexual consent law
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We can agree on that.

    What was done to this woman was dirty tricks, but I don't see it as an offense worthy of prison time. We lock more people up than any other country in the world, including China. I would vote to let this woman do some serious community service. Perhaps she can mop floors at the rape victim help center.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To a degree.
    I will concede that your argument is not without some logic.

    But there is a spectrum to it. Some tricks are far far worse than others, and we need to draw a line somewhere.
    One trick might be like 1% of a real rape, so in that case it doesn't make much sense to be treating it like a rape or using legal sanctions against it. We just write it off as a "buyer beware".
    I can totally see how you want to write this situation off as a "buyer beware" thing, but I think there are some arguments for the perpetrator getting just a little bit of punishment.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not sure if that would be a good idea. She might trick more women!

    Would you hire a man to help former rape victims who had previously taken advantage of women before, and that was the reason he was being ordered to work there as punishment?

    How about make her clean up a sweaty locker room full of football players and men stank.
    Since she's a lesbian, that would be punishment for her.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ask yourself if this story had taken place in the Middle East, what the punishment would be.
     
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    Surely, you aren't basing your opinion on the fact that we aren't as bad as the ME.

    Sure. Locker room, garbage on the side of the road, whatever.
    The thing is, your way creates a government agency whose job is to determine which lies constitute rape, and which lies are not rape.
     
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    Those men need to die out, fast.
     
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    If you need to torture it into about the most unlikely situation that would ever happen, it means you're looking for outs.
     
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    Eight years? Really?
     
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    And wasn't THAT just peachy for women and girls.

    It was never okay, to regard females as possessions whose purpose was to service men. That was just another of the human errors we hung on to for far too long .... like slavery.
     
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    One thing it always is, is consent to sleep with a PARTICULAR person. When it transpires that you've had sex with someone else entirely, due purely to the subterfuge actions of the perpetrator, it is 100% rape. You have NOT consented to sleep with the perpetrator, and that's what matters.
     
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    Irrelevant. You consented to sex with THAT person, not some other person.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not what I was talking about. I think you are misunderstanding what I was saying.
    Women were not treated as sex slaves 120 years ago.
     
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    So you agree that if I tell a man I'm a lawyer, because his online profile says he only dates lawyers, the moment we sleep together, I have raped him?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, that's what this case centers around.

    That, and gender.
     
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    That's because she DIDN'T KNOW.

    Lying about gender is 100% rape.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We've already explained that being (or not being) a lawyer is different from being another gender.

    That's kind of a big big thing.

    If I was a disgusting space alien and I tricked you into having sex by wearing a convincing human suit, that would also be rape.
    In fact I believe there was even an Outer Limits episode about that, First Anniversary, 1996.

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    closing narration:
    "We all wear masks, illusions of what we want the world to see. But when we hide our true selves from those we love, what price do we pay for that deception?"
     
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    Completely different, and no for that reason. That's about some irrelevant extraneous activity, not your identity (ie, body, gender, mind, etc).
     
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    She "watched" movies with this man while blindfolded. FFS, she agreed to sleep with someone she never met. It didn't work out well for her. Too bad, so sad.
     
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    You're still conflating two VERY different things.

    Those are all examples of consent to have sex with Individual A. Our scenario is consent to have sex with Individual A, but Individual B was who the victim actually had sex with. There was no consent to have sex with Individual B, IOW. And it happened purely because Individual B used a bait and switch tactic to gain sexual favours dishonestly and without consent. RAPE, every time.
     
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    Do you usually victim blame like this? Is this just your thing?
     

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