Women have equality. Why are they upset with paying alimony and child support?

If a woman leaves the work force she’s making NO money. Not “she is not making much money”. She’s making no money. So those women wouldn’t be compared to in an studied. A woman who leaves the workforce and comes back years later would also not be compared too. Studies look at apples to apples years of work. You can’t compare a mans salary at 20 years in the workforce to a woman’s salary at 10 years in the workforce. A study will only compare similar years of work.
Now, I realize you will come back and deflect and move the goalposts which I have no use or time for. So I will bid you adieu as I am done with getting pulled down rabbit holes on message boards.

 

Oh but they have included this in studies. They will look at average incomes between men and women as a whole.

 

Prove it.

 

such nypocracy. noone said anything until women had to lose custody and pay alimony.

 

You prove it .. you are the one that claimed 20% difference or some such figure.

 

No I didn't. Never made any such claim. YOU however keep making all sorts of claims without backing it up. That tells me you're making it all up. Have a nice day precious!

 

You are right .. was another poster that made the 20% claim.

I have made 2 claims - the article addresses both.

1) in relation to "bad science" flawed use of statistics and so on

2) When you compare apples to apples - the pay gap disappears.

https://business.financialpost.com/...lose-the-gender-wage-gap-its-already-happened

 

And yet I can find article after article after article stating otherwise.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/09/gender-pay-gap-facts/

https://bigthink.com/robby-berman/the-frustratingly-persistent-united-states-pay-gap

http://time.com/money/5233753/gender-pay-gap-every-state/

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-42909987

https://www.statista.com/topics/3453/wage-inequality-in-the-united-states/

https://www.businessinsider.com/wage-gap-gender-data-top-us-cities-2018-4

 

The article I gave you states as much. There is a whole lot of bad science/biased studies and flawed use of statistics. out there .. and this often gets reported. Nothing surprising about that.

Hillary often repeated nonsense claims in relation to the supposed "gender gap" that does not make these claims true.
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Your article is one opinion....that does not make the claim true

 

My article is not "opinion" its cites an actual study. Clearly you did not read your own links as the factors cited by my article are mentioned as accounting for the difference in one of your links below.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/09/gender-pay-gap-facts/

The study you are citing looks at median earnings of all men and women lumped into one pot. It is not comparing equal work (which is what is being discussed)

The figures cited in the pewresearch study does not control for education, skills and other relevant factors and nor does it purport to.

You need to read the links you post better.

 

And how does the study account for 'skills' and 'education'?

 

The study you cited (pewresearch) does not account for skills and education, work experience, occupational choice and so on. It lumps all wages into one big pot and compares on that basis... and it even states this.

Did you read the link that I gave you. The study I cited compares people working at the same job, with the same education, on an equal level. It compares apples to apples ... not the wage of a nuclear physicist to the wage of a Walmart worker - which is what the pewresearch study is doing.

Here is another - which shows how they made the comparison.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/08/01/are-women-paid-less-than-men-for-the-same-work

 

fair enough. But even looking at apples to apples there is still a gap. granted, it's nowhere near 20%.

 

The gap is statistically insignificant. In some areas - as the first study I cited states - women are making more on an apples to apples basis.

Expect this trend to continue. 55- 60% of university students are women. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2012/02/16/the-male-female-ratio-in-college/#1123f453fa52

The last bastion - glass ceiling is in the ranks of CEO's This is rapidly changing as well. This took longer as CEO's tend to be older. If a CEO is 55 .... how many women were in University (on a CEO career track ) back in the 70's ?

If you talk to a educated 20 year old woman and suggest that she faces gender based barriers in the workplace she will laugh at you and sometimes even take offense.

Things have changed .. soon we will have to be doing employment equity programs for men

 

I read your article and yes, it states women are making more than men in some areas but doesn't go into any detail. I find that questionable
"controlling for education, skills and other relevant factors, “the gender pay gap practically disappears. Indeed, among single, childless workers under 30, women earn more than men.”
As far as the gap being insignificant...well I suppose women might not share your sentiment

 

I said "Statistically insignificant" .. obviously if an individual male or female was making less for the same work they are not going to be happy.

In Britain for example it was 0.8% .. what this means is that over an entire population you are going to have some men making slightly more and some women making slightly more ... and when you put all this into the wash you end up with a very small difference. Ask yourself this question .. if the differential was 0.8% in favor of women overall would you be jumping up and down ?

 

I would not be jumping up and down because I am not someone who tends to jump up and down over things. I'd rather do what I could to not be one of those making 0.8% lower.