Women have the right to be glamorous.

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  1. Renee

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    Exactly! Something I always tell teachers is never draw conclusions about parents unless you know them. Kids are going to separate from the parents and do things that the parents might not approve of and it is age-appropriate and in most cases necessary! I remember my daughter playing her music obnoxiously loud and I hated the music and that was her separation.
     
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    You sound lik you are an extremist. Parents are either bad or good. You are passing judgment on parents who you know nothing about. Do you condemn the president of the United States who refers to women as *******? Do you think he is a good parent? He is the role model for our children. Do you teach your children not to call people names like he does.. do you tell your children not lie like he does? Do you tell your children not brag like he does? According to you and everything you’ve been saying he is a terrible father and his children seem ok
    Good parents can do bad things and bad parents can have great kids. You are making an overgeneralizatio
    Kids are different from their parents generation,,,and it doesn’t make it bad, I am sure most kids embrace positive values like not stealing, lying , drinking etc. but they still do a lot of these things But please be honest and admit that when you were young you did things that your parents would have been upset about and you don’t sound like you are a bad person.
     
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    Kids might embrace their parents values after some degree of separation. All people need to work out on their own, who they are. The extreme of this would be rebellion.
     
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    You're quite wrong. And dare I say, as naive as Renee. PLENTY of kids actively embrace their parents values, from childhood - never wavering.

    Please consider that America is not the world.
     
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    Actually too many parent
    There is something else involved. What you see as good values I may see as poor ones and visa versa. Who is to judge?
     
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    And more kids experiment against their parents wishes......doesn’t mean the kids are bad, or the parents are bad. You when I obviously have different values but that doesn’t make you a better parent than me
     
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    Perhaps in your tiny village, Renee. In the wider world, more kids embrace their parents values than those who don't. You really need to get out more.
     
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    Of course they do.....but very often they embrace their parents values like the kkk kids etc. society has values as well. All I am saying it is wrong to overgeneralize and say kids who get InTrouble have poor parenting. As a teacher I stress that! I have had so many concerned and wonderful parents who just didn’t know what to do anymore because the kids were out of control. Then I had kids his parents were drug addicts and then work their asses off in my class to make something of themselves. Generally speaking you are right but overgeneralizing is prejudicial
     
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    Well, I would say that is the rule more often than not. "Poor parenting" does not necessarily mean that the parents are awful people, just that they are bad parents. If you engage with- and encourage your kids and tell them you are disappointed when they do something bad, generally they will turn out fine. Occasional pranks and coming home later than you were told to is something every parent has to face, I guess. But, a child with good parents will most likely not become a criminal.


    What made them wonderful was the fact that they were concerned, right?

    Sometimes it is both necessary and important to over-generalise samples to know what is working and what is not. In the quote above, it almost sounds as if you are encouraging parents to do drugs and ignore their kids because "upbringing might not have an effect on their success anyways."
     
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    And so are you. ;)

    What was it you said about passing judgements on people you don't know? Anyways, I really have no idea what Donald Trump has to do with anything. Is he really the most evil creature you could come to think of? And, once again, yu are being amerocentric; who gives a crap about the POTUS?

    "Good parents can do bad things and bad parents can have great kids." is an over-generalisation too. :D

    Even children with the most wonderful parents will do "bad stuff" like prank calling someone or curse - That is just part of being a child and part of growing up. The argument here is that adults who are criminals, hit their partners and/or suffer from drug-abuse probably did not have the best of childhoods.
     
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    Yes I know America isnt the world, I'm speaking of my experiences which is are American. Its considered normal and healthy to question and challenge internalized values.

    val·ue
    ˈvalyo͞o/
    noun
    plural noun: values
    1. 1.
      the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something.
      "your support is of great value"
      synonyms: worth, usefulness, advantage, benefit, gain, profit, good, help, merit, helpfulness, avail; More



    2. 2.
      a person's principles or standards of behavior; one's judgment of what is important in life.
      "they internalize their parents' rules and values"
      synonyms: principles, ethics, moral code, morals, standards, code of behavior
      "society's values are passed on to us as children"

     
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    She is not, stop being ridiculous. Its simply stating people can many times overcome bad situations. Criminal behavior /abuse adds some other issues into the mix.
     
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    And no one is denying that. However, that is rather an exception than a rule. A majority of troubled kids come from troubled homes.
     
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    Tell me how I am passing judgment on parents I don’t know!
    Obviously you have no idea what an overgeneralization is as compared to a generalization.
     
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    He’s cute....if I say yes, he’ll say no. I think I had him in my eighth grade class
     
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    When you say Donald Trump is a bad father, you are passing judgement on a parent you don't know and when you are claiming that "not all kids with bad parents end up living a bad life", you are guilty of over-generalising. :)
     
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    No wonder kids these days can neither speak nor spell properly when their 8th grade teachers don't even know basic punctuation.
     
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    That is true.....but
    Exactly what I’ve been saying. We know Trump. I know that Trump is a role model for his son and he is teaching his son that it is OK to grab women by the ***** and going to teenage girls locker rooms. If that is a good parent role model then so be it. He is a parent who is a narcissistic liar, . But you make my point, An overgeneralization would be if I said that presidents do these things. But I am referring to one parent just like I have been saying.
     
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    Oh stop being so childish. We all know that spellcheck does all kinds of funny things. By the way, a good teacher lets her students write without concern about mechanics so the ideas flow. Then they word on usage. Let’s call this my rough draft....I don’t really worry about grammar here, and stop being so vicious and catty...meow.
     
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    We're working here with majorities and likelihoods. If you wanted to talk strictly about rare anomalies, you should have said so.

    I maintain that being guided by the rare anomalies is a huge mistake.
     
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    ahhh .. no they don't. seriously, my kids (and myself personally) have all done advanced literacy, and it is a HIGHLY technical subject. creativity comes dead last. ideas are cheap and easy, getting them onto paper correctly and cohesively is difficult.
     
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    1) but why would you, as an 'expert', limit your research to ONE model? that's bizarre to me. even more bizarre that you chose such a bad model. did you not realise it was so bad because you've never bothered to gain broader knowledge?

    2) who said all those kids who embrace their parents' values don't question them? what an absurd premise! the reason they embrace them is because they do question them .. and find them worthwhile. does that shock you?
     
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    Wow, do I disagree. Sorry that you see ideas as cheap. Ideas have to flow and if you were concentrating on how they are written rather than what they are saying then we are in disagreement.
     
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    They are not “rare anomolies”
     
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    In Swedish schools, it has now become very fashionable to be "creative" even in maths and they have introduced this new method they call "Written Head Count" - what this method suggests is that algorithms ought to be written horizontally instead of vertically. :laughing:

    In this new, fancy method, students are encouraged to write down each step of their thought process and the result is that your calculation becomes an almost never-ending one. It is just as weird as it sounds, but I will try to show you what I mean.

    528+465=500+400+20+60+8+5=900+90+13=900+103=900+100+3=1000+3=1003

    This is somehow supposed to be easier and "more stimulating" for the child than just putting the two numbers "over-and-under" in a standard algorithm. Of course, trying to do a division in this fancy method of "creativity" is almost impossible. :p
     
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