Women have the right to be glamorous.

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  1. Ritter

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    Again you are - indirectly - implying that physical and verbal abuse of children is acceptable because how a child is treated by his/her parents does not really have any bigger effect on how they turn out in the future.

    I know this is not what you are trying to say, but when you deny that mistreated children who do well in life are rare anomalies, you are - unwillingly - defending child abuse.
     
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    I'm in the midst of Advanced English studies (via my kids), dear. I took Advanced English myself. I have worked as an editor.

    And yes, absolutely I maintain that ideas are cheap and easy. ANYONE can come up with an idea. Very few can cohesively express them in a well constructed narrative arch which abides by the rules of syntax and grammar. That's that technical challenge we talked about :)
     
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    Swedes will soon be as dumb as Americans.
     
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    They are exceptions. To be even remotely effective, we cannot be guided by exceptions. You should know this.
     
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    I doubt that. Men are attracted by flash and sparkle. A naturally beautiful woman is overlooked if she is not dressed in a certain way, not wearing makeup, not walking in a certain way, w/o a certain kind of hairstyle. Take away all the flash and sparkle and you have an average looking woman 99.9 percent of the time.

    Here are some Miss America contestants without their makeup. The most beautiful women in the country? I don't think so. Just average looking women.
     

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    When she walked by, not one man looked up. And she was pretty near perfect. She was trim, tall, fit, but not skinny, with a beautiful face (zero makeup or jewelry). I am interested in art. She was the kind of woman an artist might notice, but not the average man.

    Men don't notice a 'perfect body' unless a woman is making a point of showing it off. As well, men often seem to think that a 'perfect body' includes breast implants and other cosmetic surgery effects. IMO someone who does those things to her body is not natural and therefore not naturally beautiful.

    I am using the term 'men' generically; I don't think all men are this way, but most seem to be.
     
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    Trust me when I say that we are not.

    Make up exaggerates the features men are evolutionary ptogrammed to like, so it is not really that surprising that a woman wearing make up catches more eyes than a woman who doesn't wear make up. Posture and clothing is important for men too; no woman likes a man who is dressed like a slob and who carries himself in an insecure manner.

    Beauty pageants are rarely presenting the most beautiful of women.
     
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    Makeup doesn't exaggerate features; it changes them. Anyway, you are admitting that it is the flash and sparkle you notice, not the natural woman. Clothes, hairstyles, hair color, makeup, all of those things change natural appearance; to some extent enhancing what is nice, but mostly masking what isn't nice. You obviously don't know how it works.
     
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    Well, I guess it depends on how you choose to look at it. :)

    Well, if a majority of the women outside are "unnatural", then it will - obviously - be harder to notice the "natural" ones. I personally see nothing wrong in putting a little effort and time on how you look. I mostly only notice hair and face.

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    I don't like big knockers! Another exemplar which makes me a loner.
     
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    There it goes again....mansplaining.
     
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    Women have a right to be anyway they want to be....
     
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    You were dismissing everything Renee was saying and she certainly isnt wrong. Americans value individualism and sometimes its tough to navigate through. Its NOT letting parents off the hook, or is it giving kids carte blanche to do anything.
    I always want to learn more about other cultures, the difference is I'm discussing this casually.
     
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    If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. [to use Sarah Palin's ever so delicate expression]

    You are either born with beauty or you're not. Makeup can help accentuate things but you can't take a fundamentally ugly woman and make her beautiful with makeup.

    Flash can catch a man's eye. But it only lasts for a few minutes. Contrary to popular opinion, not all men are idiots. We all had sisters and mothers and gfs and wives. We all know what mom looked like in the morning.

    There is a black supermodel who is internationally famous. She is gorgeous. But as soon as she opened her mouth she got very ugly. Seriously. It was like hitting a switch.

    Woman don't have a clue about men. You all really don't.
     
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    ...and besides the obvious ( abuse,neglect) the definition of a troubled home means different things to different people.
     
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    No, your odd-ish behaviour makes you a loner.
    Leave off on it then.
     
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    a) few men like tall women. most men want to 'tower' over their mate, if at all possible.
    b) many men ONLY notice women who have look 100% natural. far more than you seem to realise.
    c) many men ONLY notice the super fit body (which is the only kind of perfect there is).
    d) many men dislike big boobs (regarding them as trashy looking).
     
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    Are you kidding me, girl? A man explaining male sexuality is "mansplaining" too now?
     
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    I think most people get a hang of what I was referring to when I said "troubled homes". It can surely be interpreted in many ways, but there are some general tendencies that everyone can agree on when it comes to what constitutes a "troubled home" and some of them are, indeed, more serious than others, but if someone's childhood ticks in all of them, chances are pretty high that that child will not be very happy as an adult.

    The obvious mess-up factors include things such as sexual abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse and father abusing mother. Then we have things like fighting parents, single motherhood, drug/alcohol addicted parents, disengaged parents. On the more "mild" scale we may see things like divorce, not enough encouragement/engagement, no clear rules, not enough authoritarianism and spoiling your child.

    The most extreme case would be a child who sees all of these and it would take alot for such child to come close to any form of success at all.

    Why do you feel the need to defend bad parents anyways? Some parents should just not be parents let alone even touch a child... Ever!
     
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    Thank you for the psycho-analysis report.
     
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    You have a choice dear boy.
    Leave off the odd-ish behaviour and all shall be well.
    Fare thee well.
     

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