My friend was attacked by an angry woman with an umbrella. He could not escape the situation (it was on a train late at night). The attack continued for some time and he was unable to properly protect himself from the attack or defuse the situation with words. To deal with attack he punched her braking the woman's jaw and subsequently knocking her out. Was the man in question right to take offensive action against the attack? Do women have the right to be treated as an equal to man in situations like this? Personality I've been in a few situations a male has Initiated an attack on me and I am very fast to react and fight back in these situations. I'm not sure how I react if a female attacked me. I believe women should have the right to be treated as an equal In this situation and I should immediately react with fighting back regardless of gender. But I feel a part of me would not see a woman as equal in this situation and I would be extremely reluctant to fight back. I'm taking out the part women are genrally genetically weaker than me ( it does not matter an assault on me is an assault no matter who does it) as if a weaker adult male assaulted me I would not even consider the fact he's weaker, I would just punch back. It's just somthing drilled into me at a young age a man should not hit a woman under any circumstances. But morally this is incorrect, women deserve to be treated as equal in all circumstances even in the cases where they assault males. Am I sexiest if I refuse to punch a woman in the face if she assaults me first? And don't say walk away, times you don't have the option, or the assailant will pursue or the violance will continue in the future when you meet that person again. I've seen many man being pursued down the street and continually attacked by women as they try walk away from a situation.
Being that we're all equal [supposedly] then yes. It's just that when they call the police on you afterwards you'll find we're not and the facade is lifted.
I'm a feminist and I think that no one has the right to put their hands on another person. And if they do, the other person should absolutely have a right to defend themselves. I do not understand the mentality that some women have that its ok to hit, kick or slap men...its absolutely not ok and there should be no double-standard here. If someone was beating me with an umbrella...which could be really physically damaging...I'd be calling the police and doing whatever I could do to defend myself for sure.
Men are more likely to be domestically abused than women. http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/
Physical assault should be met with a return assault in protection if required, regardless of gender. In most cases I imagine this would not require full force but if required it must be used. She would have it coming and likely think twice before ever doing it again.
They should go to a shelter if that's the case. Most shelters take both genders...men just don't go and they should.
Since when? Most shelters, 99.9%, are for women. First one for men opened in 2017. https://www.bustle.com/p/the-countr...on-dangerous-misconceptions-about-abuse-66995
Many traditional shelters accept men. The issue generally being that men don't go there and so most of them don't have set-up accommodations for men. The biggest issue with men is that they don't do anything about the violence and like women did...they need to start. I wasn't denying the need for male only accommodations or even male-only shelters. Both things are needed. There is no doubt that men get abused and need to know its ok to get help and press charges.
Yea I agree. I think men need to organize around this and ensure that they have shelters or male space in the existing shelters. I'd certainly support this. I'd donate to this cause.
Do you really think anyone here is dumb enough to believe that feminists would fight against men’s shelters.?If men wanted shelters there would be more of them because if you read the newspapers you will see that men still have most of the power.
Which was obviously a wild overreaction, being how an umbrella is not a particularly threatening attack. If a man is healthy enough to break a woman's jaw and knock her out, that man is obviously also capable of less brutal means of self-defense. He can still be physical, just less physical. An appropriate response would be something like punching her in the shoulder, enough to hurt, but not do any real damage. The same standard goes for men or women. If an old man attacks me with his cane, I'm not free to break his jaw because he's a man. Self-defense is about self-defense, not "teaching lessons". Use the minimum force required for the situation.
Yes. We all are to some extent. That's an inevitable consequence of mammalian nature and human society, You’re sexist if you treat individuals differently on the sole basis of their (perceived) gender alone. Gender can still be a relevant characteristic (or a casual factor of a relevant characteristic) but it will never be the only relevant characteristic and will never be unconditional. None of the other specifics in your posts are relevant to this core question and frankly they only serve as a confusion and distraction. Boiling it down to the simplest principle makes it much clearer.
Diffusing an angry situation requires tact and intimidation regardless of gender. The male in this situation had many options besides the full blown attack displayed (which should always be a last resort), even simply subduing he bodily is preferable. If by chance the woman was larger and stronger then perhaps physical elimination comes into play, but short of that he was in the wrong.
I don't give a crap if a woman slaps me, because I know they are irrational, emotional twits. But, if some woman balls up her fists (or attacks me with a weapon), I'll knock her ass out. No question.
And I bet you don’t think you’re a misogynist. Sounds like you are the one who is a rational and emotional and a twit
Civil Order and Equality require that women are considered legitimate threats as much as men, and can be forcefully resisted in defense to the same level as would be a man. That being said, I too would (and have) go to greater lengths to avoid injuring a woman attacker than I would a man. I can't really quantify why, thats just who I am. Just because you're legally justified doesnt mean you're morally or ethically justified. If you smash a violent womans face in when slapping or pushing her would've done the job, we won't be friends.
Instead of seeing this as a man/women situation, see this as one person attacking the other. Generally when you are attacked by someone, you should only attack back if you are physically in danger. If this person is a lot weaker and not a danger to you, then its best to get out of the situation, minimizing harm to yourself and the attacker, and then reporting the attacker to the police. If you start hitting someone, even if you didn't start it, you could face legal problems if the police come to the wrong conclusion, you broke some law you didn't know existed, or you do more damage than you intended. Its just not a smart idea.
