Women in Combat? Yes. Sex integrate units? No.

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another reason to increase the number of women in combat is when the military does need to ramp up the number of enlistees, they drop educational and intellectual testing standards due to only drawing from men, while women are pursuing education at twice the rate of men. The result is enlisting mentally lazy and uneducated men. The inability to read or write ordinary English in understandable ways would seem a necessity in the modern Army.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At points in the Gulf War, the military dramatically lowered educational and tested intelligence levels urgently needing any warm body they could enlist. In this the requirement for a high school diploma was dropped and intelligence testing minimums dropped. That does not mean those who took advance of these lowered standards are any less devoted or serve(d) their countries, of course.

    There are so many spelling, punctuation and grammar errors in your messages, and more important such an extreme apparent mental laziness in your messages unwilling to even proof read 2 sentence, short word messages, did you come in under one of those programs?

    The level of emotional ranting in messages seems to indicate someone on the edge losing emotional control on threads of the themes of trashing women as you post “liar! Liar!” over again:
    Very interestingly, you also posted this message after only 21 messages:
    With a total of 21 messages at the point you posted that message suggests you are possibly a banned member?

    Your messages are often badly written in spelling, punctuation and grammar with no attempt to proof read demonstrating mental laziness in messages - and the incessant troll-ranting in your messages may indicate a severe lack of emotional control when it comes to topics about women. Your personal furious trolling messages also derail threads in some possible deep personal conflict by your messages, which may indicate you feel a need to have on the Internet with someone over the topic of women in relation to men. Bitter divorce? Lost custody? Just got dumped or learned your woman is cheating on you?

    I don’t know and don’t care to feed what seems a dangerous level messages of a possible deep internal emotional firestorm in badly and lazy written trolling and ranting messages on topics about women. I will be ignoring you for a while.
     
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    The military is already taking all the woman want to join and can meet the very easy female standards. Sorry lowering standards has never been a way to get a better militart.
     
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    Because it’s a silly debate site and it really doesn’t matter. And if you think your posting has been error free you need to think again.

    Finally the fact that you continually have to deflect and change the topic rather then back up any of your BS tells everyone all they need is o know about your nonsense

    And to the bolded are you really not smart enough to realize that I quite possibly could be the member of more then one discussion board.
    Come on you really can’t be this clueless
     
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    Men and women combat units should be segregated for nothing other than the logistical aspect. Unless we can snap out fingers and make the military unisex with no obvious issues as in Starship Troopers with men and women sharing showers and stuff without problems then we should keep them separate.

    As it stands now it's more of a hassle than its worth having to have separate everything for the females in a FOB. It's nothing against women, but logistically it doesn't make much sense having to bring 1 tent for the guys and 1 tent for the 2 or 3 females that happen to be there. As well as 2 shower units, "female only" porta potty's, etc. Just put them all in one tent and save on the logistics. Obviously that's probably not the best idea seeing how the military deploys for months at a time often to remote places and having a bunch of guys and a couple girls in one tent during situations like that is probably not the best idea.

    Even though separating them doesn't do much to quell the sexual aspect anyway. During my last remote deployment the men and women were all messing around regardless of being separated by sleeping quarters....or married...lol
     
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    You won Jake. You got your way.

    Green Beret Training Standards Now Lower than Army ROTC Camp in the 80’s

    July 2017: MG Sonntag dismisses all SFOC (Special Forces Orientation Course) testable events. Students will take the physical tests, but they can no longer be relieved for them as they are considered diagnostics. Students can no longer fail SFOC except for Voluntarily Withdrawing or getting injured.

    September 2017: All graded SFQC (Special Forces Qualification Course or the Q Course) PT events including the SFPA, APFT, diagnostic APFT’s, and Diagnostic SFPA’s still banned from being conducted. -Revision introduced that there will be ZERO graded physical tests.

    November 2017: The culmination: It has just been announced that graduation for students will be held immediately after they graduate Robin Sage (culminating field exercise). Language phase is no longer a requirement for graduation. Aside from passing selection, there are LITERALLY no physical gates or standards required of students in order for them to graduate the Special Forces Qualification Course. This is the state of the entire SFQC as it stands today.

    Students do not need to be able to pass a 2-mile run at an 80% standard. They do not need to pass a 5-mile run in under 40 minutes. They do not need to be able to pass a 12-mile ruck march in under 3 hours. They are not required to find ANY points during their land nav training and assessment.

    They do not need to be able to perform 8 pull-ups.


    They do not need to be able to perform 57 push-ups, or 66 sit-ups. They no longer need to be able to climb a 15 foot rope with weight on. Students are no longer administered any form of physical or administrative punishment. After passing a 19-ish day selection process, there are no physical barriers to earning the coveted Green Beret.
     
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    To be able to allow physically unfit women Marines to serve in combat arms the PC Obama administration forced the Marine Corps to lower the PFT standards for all Marines

    If you don't like pull ups...you don't have to do pull ups.

    Marine Corps Rolls Out Biggest Fitness Standard Overhaul in 40 Years in the Name of Political Correctness
     
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    I can only speak for the women I train with currently, but women in the Army don't want to be integrated with the men. They are also very aware of their smaller bone structures and difficulties with extended rucks. It's the hardest part of their training. They become injury risks on long term FTXs.

    The women I train with have no desire to be combat leaders or to be integrated with men.

    Just my experiences thought I would share.
     
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  9. Mr_Truth

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    As I have said before and will say again,

    If my puny Uncle could serve in the military with distinction while only weighing 125 lbs, then athletic women who are 5'10" and weigh 170 can do the same without any problem.
     
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    A female at 5' 10" weighing 170 lbs sounds like being over weight.

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  11. JakeJ

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    A different thread on the military board that few participated on tells what I believe should be done.

    That said, what many do not realize is the enormous shift the military is taking away from brute strength standards to intelligence and the ability to learn highly technical skills.

    As for what you cited, the likely real effect will be putting personnel into units they most are suited for, adding both greater flexibility and superior specialization for specific missions. There is no basis to claim that brute strength is THE HIGHEST of all possible measures within the Army. Rather, the shift may be towards "military value" and brainiacs willing to fully commit to learning the enormous level of new and extremely difficult technical information should not be inherently defined as inferior to someone who can run 10 miles fast with a heavy pack - as is now the case.
     
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    overweight is politically incorrect


    besides, I've coached softball playing gals who could also play rugby and wrestle at that size and who could easily whip anybody ;)
     
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    I'm pretty sure that rugby and wrestling are contact sports which means they are politically incorrect.
     
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    I've noticed that even most of the fanatical "go grrrl!" women in combat arms supporters have to paper over real, physical differences between men and women by claiming that the military is really all about pushing buttons, as you seem to be doing.

    Heh, funny!
     
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    Bumping your own thread due to a lack of interest is kinda pathetic.
     
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    well, if women in combat scares you then there's nothing anybody can do to relieve your fears
     
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    When I was in combat, women weren't allowed to go out into the bush.

    Even if they were and even if there wasn't any contact with Charley, they wouldn't have last more than a few hours and would have had to be medivaced back into the rear with the gear.
     
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    It was bound to happen. The incremental degradation of the military will continue until the USA gets its wake up call - which will involve combat and a lot of dead Americans.
     
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    we have already had that thanks to traitor Bush
     
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    What does that have to do with women in the military?
     
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    Women are more valueble than men and thus it is societal suicide to put women in the frontlines, not to mention the epitome of disrespect for our entire species.

    Additionally, the Israeli Army has used gender mixed squads in battle simulations and it always ends up with the men saying hell to strategy and tactics and instead, focusing solely on protecting the women and sometimes even throwing themselves infront of them.
     
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    In a societal sense, eggs are valuable and sperm is cheap. That's why it's traditionally been, "women and children first." Only an idiotic society would send it's women out in combat.
     
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    Actually, in Russian combat the men - if no Russian machine guns to their backs - would run away. Female units would refuse to retreat and fought to the death, inflicting far greater casualties and far greater German equipment lose.

    However, generally women are better at defense and men better at offense.
     
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