Word teminology? Very simple question?....

"Us", loosely speaking, is the other gay members of this forum who no doubt have encountered that phrase over and over, and therefore know exactly what I'm talking about. But I'm sure they can speak up for themselves if they disagree with me.

 

Why is that? You do realize it's not representative of all gay men, right? And is it a good reason to treat any gay man you encounter with ill will?

How do you think same-sex marriage opens the box? What is there about the civil recognition of same-sex marriages that is special in this regard, compared to the already existing recognition of opposite-sex marriages?

If you're talking about other types of relationships wanting to be recognized as marriages, isn't the very fact that marriage enjoys civil recognition at all what encourages this? Those other groups will have to make their own case for why they should be recognized. I'm not persuaded that recognizing same-sex couples, who can show similar situation to opposite-sex couples, serves to give other types of relationships an opening.

If you're talking about something else (hard to know since you didn't specify), then I don't have a ready answer without knowing more about what those concerns are.

 

I don't think anyone here has been intolerant toward you. It looks like you're problem is with me, because I called you out on your use of the phrase "gay agenda". I was simply trying to help you avoid painting a target on your back through your use of language that is often a dead-giveaway as to the writer's attitude toward gay people. Apparently you found that 'help' intolerant and offensive. But I'm not going to apologize for it.

 

Hey ,whats in a name ,IN fact HEAPS OF SCIENCE ,all the gay and Lesbian ,stuff is crap ,middle class radical jargon ,for discrimination Based on sexuality ,against HETEROSEXUALS and Bisexuals actually and we should add the WORD description they both want BANNED or disused ,HOMOSEXUAL !

Hey whats wrong with Same sex marriage ,well whats right with any form of Marriage ,is my question ,and if Gay and Lesbians are allowed "same sex marriage " then I must be afforded democratically ,for good friends that are HETEROSEXUAL!

Whats wrong with a couple or even 3 or 4 ,male or female Heterosexuals Getting married ? I see no problem at all ,Hey open the door its only democratic ,MARRIAGE EQUALITY for Blokey Blokes I say .

In fact 2 friends ,have Had a BROMANCE and as Totally ,Heterosexual males TIED THE KNOT! In New Zealand ,along with the now Wait for it ,140 odd other same sex couples in the first year ,and half of them were Australiana ,YES SAME SEX MARRIAGE the EQUALITY question of OUR times ,NOT!

Great advertisement campaign for "gay " florists and Marriage celebrants ,GIVE THEM THAT!

Marriage Industry is worth over $ 40 billion a year in just the USA ,and the LGBT wants its cut !

 

I misunderstood you and I apologise.

 

It makes me want to puke when I see a 400lb man, but I'm not trying to make it illegal for that man to eat. There are lots of things I personally find disgusting. I am 100% supporting of SSM and I don't like seeing two guys kiss, even a peck on the lips is disgusting to me, but then I'm not in that relationship and it doesn't affect my marriage to my wife in ANY way. But just because I find something disgusting to me personally, doesn't mean I'm trying to make it illegal.

I don't know if you are actively trying (i.e. lobbying for SSM bans, or voting against SSM), so I won't lump you in with those that are. I just don't understand why some people do when regardless of whether SSM is banned or not, there will STILL be same-sex relationships. Banning SSM doesn't stop that and it doesn't stop gays from raising children.

If those "many other things" refer to having sex with children or animals, that is simply an irrational fear IMO. Animals cannot give legal consent or enter into a contract and neither can children.

Incest and polygamy? There might be and those will need to be fought for like gay marriage has if someone wants to try. I still maintain the "So what?" attitude in regards to that. If someone doesn't like those things, then don't do it themselves. Incest there are proven psychological damage that can occur in some incest relationships so I don't see that happening anytime soon, although there are states that allow you to marry your cousin.

 

I trust you, the terminology is strange and has a bizarre genesis. I personally don't care for the terms gay and straight. But it's too trivial of a matter to bother changing besides I don't think my opinion would matter much in the greater sense. So I live with it. Not that big of a deal.

I'm sorry you lost your friend. That is always hard.

 

I accept your apology, and will likewise apologize for wording it in a way that might be interpreted as an aggressive attempt to paint you as an anti-gay bigot/troll.

 

Thank you! Please understand! There are people like me who struggle with both sides of the issue. Some of us are not simply looking at it if we are right or wrong! Many of us are simply confused by it all. Doesn't make us bad....we just need to take it all in....if we agree or not at least we are looking at both sides...correct??

 

I suppose I can agree with that, so long as you can agree to be mindful of the fact that for gay people, most any generalization or stereotype is going to feel personal and insulting.

As far as looking at both sides, I think that should include critically examining the terminology they use, how it's used (what type of argument or fallacy is involved), and in some cases learning about the history/etymology of certain words and phrases as you encounter them, before you adopt them for your own use.

I'm not saying you have to do all of that before you even begin to engage the topic. I'm saying pause and think critically about what you encounter. A gut reaction is almost never a good justification for one's position.

I'm a lot more likely to develop respect for someone presenting a well-reasoned, well-informed argument, than I am for the one-liner specialists that pollute so much of the forum with their buzzwords, cheap shots, and otherwise lazy 'thinking'. What I'm saying is, learn from them as an example of how not to discuss a topic. Those types all eventually end up on my ignore list, so that I don't waste my time on them.

 

It really was...thanks

 

Why do we park in a driveway and drive on a parkway? English is strange, and I'm told difficult to learn to non-native speakers.

 

Your point is well received! .....as you probably already realized. I am someone who (for the most part) keeps their opinions to them self. I'm opening up a bit on certain topics which is good for the "bigger" conversation. Maybe more people need to do the same.

 

difficult..........nah. The wind BLEW the BLUE bottle of BLEU cheese

The LEARNED girl LEARNED a lot of things in school.

I won a large POT at poker and stashed my POT inside the POT.

Learning a foreign language actually improved my English.

 

English is a difficult language to learn. It was my second language, compared to Spanish it was very difficult.

 

I'm glad to see you are making the effort. That in and of itself is admirable. I myself have been on both sides of the spectrum. So I should do a better job understanding the other side of it.