Working on my traditional marriage argument.

I've already explained it. I think you are just going to reflexively disagree with me because it's easier than reading what I actually write.

My comment had nothing to do with marriage since the comment I was responding to wasn't about marriage. Simple really. As for adoption, I support adoption and salute the people who make the difficult choice to raise someone else's child. That's a difficult task and society needs more people who are up for that kind of task.

However, what I disagreed with was this comment, "Children who are wanted and love do not care whether they come from the sperm of one father and the egg of one mother, as long as they have LOVING parents!"

The fact is, children do care. Kids continue suffering that sort of rejection from their real parents well into adulthood. You guys seem to think that parents and children are interchangeable and it doesn't matter which kid you pick up daycare. The fact is, although it may not matter to you, it matters to the kids.

 

Mikey boy, you're dumbing it down. Sure some kids do care, sure. Every case is different. There are many factors to consider. The point is that there are children in need of adoption and adoptive parents, including gay adoptive parents can provide a loving, stable and secure home form them.So what is the problem here and what does it have to do with anyone's argument for "traditional marriage"? BTW, adoption by gays is really an entirely differ issue. In NJ gay people have been adopting kids for decades before we had marriage equality. Do you have an argument against gay marriage? Spell it out

 

Mikey, in the real world the choice isn't between gay parents or the loving birth parents.
The loving birth parents are usually out of the picture.
Either there has been a divorce, and the spouse who got custody has entered a same sex relationship, or the child has been adopted from a situation where the child has no loving parents.
So the question is, Is a child better off with same sex parents or in foster care.

 

Thank you! Why can't they get that? !

 

You keep saying that - when a married woman has a baby, it is presumed that her husband is the father. You agree that this is because she is presumed to have had sex, and that it is presumed that her husband was her sexual partner.

So, are you saying that you presume childless heterosexual couples are not having sex - or do you presume that they are still having sex?

 

Congratulations. Neither one of you could respond to what I was writing about. I've noticed this about leftists for a while; they have a preprogramed response that requires little to no thought, and you cannot deviate from your talking points, even if you have to post them about a totally different subject entirely.

 

Mikey boy, you're projecting!! Do you understand that psychological concept? And you really need a new avatar. I can hardly contain myself looking at it

 

And I have shown you that you are wrong that every adopted kid is suffering from being adopted. MOST do not, and most feel special for having been "chosen" by their adoptive parents. Those who do feel "rejected" it is usually because they learn they were adopted at a later age, and/or the relationship between adoptive parents and children is somewhat dysfunctional.

The fact is that, every child, especially when they reach teenage years, will have issues with their parents. . .adopted or not! But when a child is adopted, it is too easy to point to "the adoption" for the conflicts that arise in EVERY family during the teenage years. By the way, those conflicts are PART of the natural development of a child. . . those conflicts are NECESSARY for the child to proceed toward increasing independence from his parents, a step that is NECESSARY to become a fully functioning, independent young adult.

So, you are wrong about the feelings of most adopted children, but it is your right to be wrong!

 

I really don't know what his point is in pursuing this. He said that it's not about marriage but I suspect that it is, since that is what this thread is about. Very strange.

 

And when she instead has sex with her wife, the wife IS NOT presumed to be the father. Soooo wheres the connection between sex and marriage of two people of the same sex.

 

Wow, yet another non response! That's answer enough in it's own way.

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I'm not pursuing anything. You are. My initial reply wasn't even to you. I'm wondering why you butt into a conversation that you made a special point not to contribute to.

 

I think you've shown me the opposite. Your one example was your own adopted child who, as you described it, seemed to have a difficult time growing up with lots of issues.

 

I think you need to improve your reading comprehension!

You obviously have NO IDEA about the NORMAL child development! Keep your silly ideas!

 

Just a thought- Maybe Homosexuality is a Mental abnormality like Schizophrenia or Autism, and that more scientific study should be done to find a cure.
Second- Although Homosexuals may THINK they love a person of the same sex, they don't, and that is just a product of their mind abnormality. For example, a person with Schizophrenia might think that they see purple elephants in the sky-but they are obviously wrong.
So, If I am correct, Gay love is an illusion caused by a mental disorder, so It does't qualify as love and shouldn't be protected by law.
P.S.- I would love to see a gay man who decided to marry a woman, because if God came down right now and told me to become gay, I would, even though it would be kinda weird. I respect gays, this is just an idea that popped into my head.

 

You're "putting the cart before the horse".
Whereas a pregnancy may be considered evidence that a woman had sex, it is not reasonable to assume that a woman does not have sex unless she becomes pregnant.

 

Let's get back to basics here...

A child who is in a loving family cannot legally be taken from that family and placed in another under the guise of "adoption".
When we refer to "adoption", we're talking about kids without families being placed into a family unit that wants them.

Your debateable implication that adopted kids are somehow disadvantaged is fundamentally flawed because you fail to recognize that they are significantly less disadvantaged than kids without families who are not adopted.

A suitable analogy for your apparent position would be that it's unacceptable to give a homeless person a tent because a person in a tent is disadvantaged in comparison to a person in a home. Is it better to leave this person exposed to the elements? Obviously not.

 

Strawman

 

The comparison wasn't between kids who are adopted vs kids who are not. It was whether it makes a difference to the child whether their parent is their biological parent or an adopted one.

 

Some kids never met their birth parents and want to.

Some kids never met their birth parents and don't care to meet them.

And some kids, in fact most in the system, already know their parents, and their parents are messed up people who neglected or abused them and they never want to go back. Sometimes they are put in foster care for a limited amount of time (til their parents can pull themselves together) and other times they are put up for adoption because mom and dad are forever messed up and simply aren't going to pull themselves back together.

What else is there to say at this point in regards to this question or statement?

 

Seems like lilMike hasn't changed his spots. Eight years ago when the state of Florida took our daughter from us (because we were *shudder* gay) and the only normal life she ever saw and placed her in her maternal aunt's home. lil Mike thought that was the best thing for the child. She was subsequently beaten to within an inch of her life, returned here and placed in a group home where she rotted for the next eight years.

She gets out at age 18 and will be welcomed home with open arms.

 

I'm so sorry you had to go through that. . .but I am especially sorry for your daughter. I am certain that, although her childhood was stolen from you (and her), she will be in your life for the rest of her life.

 

I hope you are reunited with your daughter soon!

 

Oh, in that case it should be pointed out that kids invariably take their birth parents for granted. Kids who remember that they're adopted don't.

 

I would doubt the veracity of that statement.

 

There's an endless list of things we can take for granted, which others (who have done without) would generally appreciate more:
- People who have never faced the prospect of homelessness tend to take their homes for granted, people who have been homeless don't.
- People who have always had clean water on tap tend to take that for granted, people who have lived in remote regions of third-world countries don't take indoor plumbing for granted.

On what basis are you saying that a family is different?