World Health Organisation supports reopening of Chinese wet markets.

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Where is the support in those quotes?
     
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    Well oddly, there's not much, but I keep seeing the 'Associated Press' cited as the source of the quotes.
     
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    And the US and their cattle are causing q-fever and mad cow disease outbreaks.
    And such wet markets are all over the world in 2nd and 3rd world countries. Your point?
     
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    In essence it's how the sickness of cattle is able to jump to humans.
    There are plenty of qfever outbreaks in the US. And them are deadly.
    This is rather similar how it goes with wet markets.
    Them places of cattle and wet markets are all over the world,
    because we like to eat meat. I don't see we're becoming vegetarians over this.
     
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    Worse than what?
     
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    Did you know the US government under Eisenhower intentionally infected US citizens to test Q fever as a biological weapon?

    Today, consumers are at very low risk. I’m at higher risk because I’m around animal placenta for several months of the year.

    Overall, food is dangerous stuff. Between 1000-2500 people get food borne illness from eating fruits and vegetables each year. :)

    I agree, people are going to keep eating what they ate before.
     
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    Worse than shown in the picture of a cattle market that was being discussed
     
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    Thanks for the clarification. In some cases I agree. But from an undue stress on the animal standpoint, the auction market is probably the most stressful day in the life of a bovine. When cattle are on feed in a lot, stress must be near zero or the operation is not economically viable. Stressed cattle will not gain. While it doesn’t look pretty, and isn’t ideal in my opinion, well managed confinement feeding of cattle is not abusive to the animal. If it was, performance of the operation would suffer and it would cease to exist.

    I’m too far removed from commercial hog and poultry industries to make definitive statements on them, but the same principle would apply. The difference is in the per head value of the animals due to gestation intervals, multiple births, and feed efficiencies. There is more margin to account for death loss and stress induced decreased performance in these species. Thus economy of scale takes precedence over animal welfare.
     
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    then what do you plan to enforce wet market all over asia, and even in S.america, pretty much every developing country has wet market.

    jeez let see small pox, polio, mad cow diease, HIV, ebola, spanish flu the list goes on and on.
     
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    How many have been responsible for at least three virus outbreaks?

    They all came from animal farming?
     
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    H1N1, mad cow disease, various swine flu + avian flu take your pick. then there is other vrius such as polio ebola HIV, which origin came from monkey/other animals. and dont forget the whipping cough, yellow fever, small pox, measles, cholera, scarlet fever etc etc. we been battle various virus/bacteria since beginning of human existence.
     
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    Mixing of different kinds of animals, and the lack of proper cleaning daily of processing area along with proper cold storage would be a good starting place for all cities in the world.
     
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    developing country dont have that kind $$ to do that every day, if you ask some farmer in those developing countries who is selling stuff in these wet market to buy chemical spray, not getting floor wet, cold storage etc, he will just laugh off. beside alot place prefer to buy fresh ingredient thats why they sell it live animal in the market, butchered right on the spot.
     
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    You realise that there have been more Chinese viruses than any others, right?
     
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    mad cow disease, hiv, ebola, H1N1, polio, spanish flu, MERS check those origin, this just few, there are plenty more. there always gonna be another virus from somewhere. unless everybody become vegan, any slaughter house without proper management can get zoonotic disease.
     
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    Sorry, I should have said, you realise that there have been more viruses that have come out of China than any other country, right?
     
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    Mad cow is not a viral disease.
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Aren't we being just a little semantic here? Prions are much closer to viruses than they are to anything else.
     
  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    China has a good deal more people than just about any other country.
     
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    by my count SARs, avian flu, and COV19 come from china, H1N1/spanish flu come from N.america, ebola/HIV/malaria africa, mad cow UK, whooping cough N.america?, MERS middle east, Zika S.america. i'm sure if you do research there are alot other virus/bacteria origin from various places in the world.
     
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    I said COUNTRY not continent.
     
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    Yes, true - but all the more reason to ensure that these things are managed properly.
     
  24. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    All the more reason to have more viruses as well. Diseases affecting people come from places where there are lots of people
     
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    The world's largest reservoirs of plague remaining are prarie dog towns in the American Southwest. I've yet to hear India attacking us because they still have outbreaks
     
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