World Health Organisation supports reopening of Chinese wet markets.

I get the difference in population. However, I don't see the relevance.
China is ONE country, and therefore all of the risky activities there, just like all of the risky activities in any country, should be able to be controlled.

 

So who was in the driver's seat if not China?

They're responsible for the risky practices which LEADS to the mutation from animals to humans.

Are you saying that it's a risk to have "trade and leisure visits with China?"

 

Honestly? So what?
China had handled the issue far better as the US till today, but did not play with open cards totally, but even better as with last pandemic of H5N1 ... with thanks to the current jerk in White House ... and at least the truth is:

Of course, one can rightly criticize the leadership of the WHO for some statements, but this idiot in the White House shoots the WHO directly with a minute man missile instead of tackling the leadership of the WHO. He's world champion in "you're fired" ... why doesn't he do it here too, eh?
Trump has the power to take on the leadership of the WHO accordingly and that it is exchanged ... but of course he doesn't tell his fans that, he puts the whole WHO on the dock!
It's like putting the whole family on the dock and convicted because the father committed a crime.

And again, the WHO has no rights to interfere in any of these matters or make orders in China, the United States or anywhere. In other words, to put it more simply: In the United States, the CDC is in charge, not the WHO what is being done in the United States ... and so is China and all over the world. And I'm pretty sure that no American wants it differently ...

 

According to what they say. Why the hell should they be believed? They already admitted that they got the Wuhan numbers wrong!

Which pandemic is that?

Yes, Trump is wrong to cut funding. He could easily handle it another way.

Of course the WHO has no such rights. So does this mean the WHO is good for nothing?

 

Nobody was.

A wetmarket is a normal practice. It happens all over the world.

Life comes with risks. There are only 2 certainties: Death and taxes.

 

The Chinese government isn't in the driver's seat of China?

And what other country has had a virus from a wetmarket?

Given that we know China's shocking record with viruses, they are known to be a much higher risk than any other country to have "trade and leisure visits" with. So this is why every country in the world should take a good hard look at their relationship with China.

 

I thought you were talking about the number of diseases, not how well the diseases were being controlled. China's not been very good at controlling them either, but that's a separate issue.

 

You mean that Chinese government that did not ask for a virus mutation they did not ask for to happen?
That does mean the Chinese government was not in the drivers seat of that virus mutation.

I don't see how this is relevant on one hand, while on the other hand it's the H1N1 / Spanish flu seems to suggest it came from North America. Reports claiming it was from China, got debunked since the Chinese workers who got accused of spreading the infection did not infect any other hub they were at before them met French and British forces who got infected.

What shocking record? They got this and Sars. Mers (middle east) is not theirs, as well as the Spanish flu (American), and the swine flu (Mexican, maybe American). And you're wat to keen to forget that 1/4 of the world lives there.

 

Don't you think that the lack of control contributes to the number?

 

No, but again, they're responsible for the risky practices which LEADS to the mutation.

You mean other than the fact that other countries know how to handle their wet markets?

Thanks to @557's great knowledge, China's virus history prior to COVID is: SARS (774 deaths), Bird flu (455 deaths), Hong Kong flu (1 million deaths, 100,000 in US) and Asian flu( 1 million deaths.)

What does the population have to do with the lack of wet market control?

 

Correct!
As sure as China is of course not a democracy, China has to be treated with such skepticism. And of course there is a lot to criticize about China and many things that Donald Trump gets upset about are also things to get upset about. But that was always so ultimately ... or is it suddenly new that China is world champion in copying things and goods of others ... others worldwide? No...
Trump had previously chosen China as an enemy ...
But despite all the criticism, China is surprisingly open this time and unexpectedly openly informs Corona. For example, did you expect China to openly admit and publish the error in Wuhan numbers?
Not me and nothing and nobody forced them to do it ... or in other words: If China hadn't done it, nobody would have been surprised or even found out about the real numbers.
People have to say and count that clearly too when they criticize China!

Sorry, miss-typed ... I mean H1N1 or otherwise known as "swine flu" in 2009 / 2010. According to CDC with over 12,000 death in the USA

Agrreed

This is the reason, because many Americans have no idea about the tasks of WHO and the lousy media did not tell, as well Trump who has to know, did not tell them for not hurting his fake news war against WHO. here:

The role of WHO in public health
WHO fulfils its objectives through its core functions:

• providing leadership on matters critical to health and engaging in partnerships where joint action is needed;
• shaping the research agenda and stimulating the generation, translation and dissemination of valuable knowledge;
• setting norms and standards and promoting and monitoring their implementation;
• articulating ethical and evidence-based policy options;
• providing technical support, catalysing change, and building sustainable institutional capacity; and
• monitoring the health situation and assessing health trends.

Source:
https://www.who.int/about/role/en/

In short ... they are the world coordination organization, because due to globalization in all issues of life ... no matter if someone likes it or not ... such issues are no national issue alone anymore!
and before someone only dreams about to say smething like it is their own website = no serious source etc. ... ehm ... these are the given rules and tasks as confirmed, signed and given by the USA too = 150% true and no fake!

 

Again, there is nothing risky about something rather normal world wide. It's not as if this happens every hour. Not by a long shot. You're claim of "risky" is not founded.

source this.

People with some general knowledge would know that the Hong Kong flu has nothing to do with China, since Hong Kong was still part of the UK. The bird flu happens world wide. So you got Sars, as I noted, and I forgot the Asian flu. Big whoop. Still is so that plenty of these viruses start elsewhere. And I add.... not ever has a country been held responsible over this. Donald is making that exception now, because he is being a total fail in coping with this. He is failing as a leader and blaming others. And it's hypocritical, since his country highly probably caused the Spanish flu, and did not investigate it because it's a FACT they were covering it all up.

More people mean more or bigger markets than elsewhere. Duh.

 

?? what do you mean all the risky activities in one vs others. if its one they can have unified policy, many mean less coherent policy.

 

World Health Organisation supports reopening of Chinese wet markets.

Why not. They weren't the source of the virus.

 

Take negative news about the WHO with salt. It's probably pro-Trump disinformation. The usual suspects haven't given up on misleading the American people in his favor, and right now that means defaming the WHO and various other targets, since Trump himself has decided to pass the buck on to them rather than accept responsibility for his own failures where the spread of this virus is concerned.

 

"One" what? "Many" what?

 

There's nothing normal about a wet market producing viruses. Only China has this particular ability. However, you're right - there are wet markets world wide which DON'T produce viruses.

Oh well then I suppose there is no problem then. As long as it's not every HOUR. Every 20 years though is perfectly okay. NOW who is the one not taking death seriously?

Source that other countries know how to handle their wet markets? Uh, they don't produce viruses. Can you name another?

Uh, and coronavirus DOESN'T happen world wide? I'm talking about where the virus ORIGINATES!

Not in the same country.

I think countries should be given a second chance.

How does this mean that China can't strictly control them with regulations?

 

What gives you this impression?

There is alot of talk about China's lies, so China gave a little GLIMPSE of truth so that people would do exactly as you have done - use it as evidence that they are telling the truth! This is a CLASSIC political strategy! I can see through it. Can't you? China seems to have SUCKED you right in, into believing them! Although I'm sure you're not the only one.

Okay, so you've demonstrated that they don't need "rights to interfere in any of these matters or make orders in China, the United States or anywhere" in order to be effective. So then why did you say that they have no such rights? Was that relevant somehow?

 

Except that Hong Kong flu since it was part of the UK. And except the Spanish flu that originated in the US.
China simply has a lot more of them, since 1/4 of the world lives there or something.

There is nothing new about these wet markets. They have existed for centuries. Dunno where you get that "every 20 years" idea from. Source it please.

They do produce viruses. Ever heard of q-fever? Happens a lot in the US.

The "bird flu" is originating all over the world, ranging by the name from H1N1 to H15N9.

I again point out that a 1/4 of the population lives in China. So when things happen at random, than it does mean 1/4 of them random things happen in China. That's a lot. I don't see you're taking that into consideration. Rather petty.

Again... no country has ever been held responsible. No reason to start now. And it's not as if a country arranged this.

You mean them regulations the US has and still produced the Spanish flu?

 

Because there was no "no comment" and so on behavior as it was last time with swine flue. Compare both and you will see why it gives this impression.

First of all, I don't believe China as I don't believe USA too. Both have shown too many times that they are masters of lies and hiding and spreading fake news. So I'm always very sceptical at both ... and others too!
It is ridiculous every time when the United States blame and accuses others of alleged or actual evil deeds, but it is fact and proven that the United States did and does exactly the same thing at other times and places! An example of this, outside of Corona, is the interference of Russia in the last US election ... even Trump has said that Russia did enough times. Bad Russia? Funny ... that the US did exactly the same a dozen times in many countries, including Russia, is OK and something else? Sorry, this is ridiculous, hypocritical and arrogant ... and unacceptable!

China has become the largest competitor of the USA as a world power no. 1 evolved over time. China works with countless dirty tricks, including criminal things. Out of this competition, the USA "shoots" at China in all things. Only often does that get ridiculous ... because you accuse Huawai of having to give data etc. to the Chinese government and doing it etc.? I think and I'm sure that's true. BUT ... look at e.g. your Patriot Act and other things, because your companies like Apple, Google, Amazon etc. are also obliged to do so with US services like FBI, CIA, NSA or "Homeland" for short! Funny, isn't it?

If you look at Trump's accusations against WHO, the question seriously arises as to what the WHO should have done, what Trump could not have done otherwise, for which he now accuses the WHO. WHO praises China? Sorry, Trump had done the same at the same time. The WHO believes the information from China too much or is it generally wrong to believe China? Funny ... why then did Trump believe the Chinese back then ... since he hadn't banged against China and the WHO over Corona like now?
These are bad questions from me ... I know ... but funny that as a "non-American" I ask them when they actually have to come from the Americans themselves ... but nothing comes! On the contrary ...

 

China's behaviour with swine flu?

Then why do you believe that China "handled the issue far better as the US till today?"

Correct.

I don't think that anyone has said that what Russia did in 2016 is something that the US has never done or would do in the future. Russia's interference wasn't the issue - it was Trump suspected as conspiring with Russia - which as we now know, Mueller found no evidence of - not that the left have acknowledged that yet!

You're not saying that this means that they can't oppose dangerous wet markets are you?

 

Which has nothing to do with wet markets. Remember, we are talking about the difference between the various wet markets worldwide, which you seem to think are no different to any wet market in China. Which is unbelievably ridiculous.

Are you under the impression that this is a proven fact? You should have a think about that!

I didn't say that they were new. My mention of 20 years is the time between SARS and COVID-19, but it's actually 18. Are you saying that the continuation of the wet markets would be acceptable if it meant another pandemic in 2038, 18 years from now?

Which pandemic or even epidemic has q-fever caused? I must have missed that one!

What the hell do you mean "originating all over the world?" You mean there are OUTBREAKS all over the world? Well okay, but the same applies to coronavirus, but that doesn't mean it didn't originate in China! Same applies to bird flu! It ORIGINATED in China!

Again, more people doesn't mean that China can't strictly control things with regulations. And the more people, the more care that should be taken with regulations.

That's because a country should only be held responsible for a second offense after not learning lessons from the first offense. It's not reasonable to hold a first time offender responsible for something which could not be foreseen. This is not the case with China.

 

Yep ... compare both with each other in matter of information policy etc.

Far better inmeantime maybe not with last informations, but better and but the reason why lays in 2 major differences between the US and China:

a) China reacted directly with measures, but the US ... as other countries too ... kept sleeping and underestimated the issue for too long and against all knowledge. Trump had enough experts who had warned him early enough, but he didn't want to listen to them ... and enough Americans are not yet doing so with a view to the Trump-backed protesters in the U.S. (but there are a small number of same peope also in Germany) because of against the restriction of civil rights and damage to the economy. Honestly, sorry, I wish each of these demonstrants that they get the corona virus violently, at us and at you.

b) The centralized system in China where the gvernment has the only saying ... even no democracy of course, what helps too ... compared to the federal system in the United States (and also in Germany), where the individual states have the relevant say, which you know Trump dislikes when governors show him the middle finger etc. and there is nothing he can do about it except his dirty propaganda Tricks as always.

We can discuss endlessly about Trump's involvement in the matter ... but let's leave it, makes no real sense or not more sense as to discuss if a glass water is half full or half empty Only when that was top topic here ... there were an unbelievable number of Americans who totally denied these US influences in other countries' elections, or worse ... said that it is totally OK if the US does that , but not if others do it because only the USA as the world's number one power has the right! Seriously and not kidding!

The WHO can't oppose it ... they can only judge, advise and evaluate it. But the decision is up to China!
And fact is ... There is until now no proven link between COVID-19 and wet markets! They are all only claims and opinions, but no proven facts!
And by the way ... if the "wet" markets are so dangerous, why are the "wet" markets in the USA not closed, eh?

 

Are you under the impression that the swine flu originated in China?

"Better" than what?

Yeah okay, China certainly ACTED quicker. However, it doesn't mean that the number of deaths that they have reported is anywhere near accurate.

There's absolutely no evidence of this. Some people in the administration correctly predicted that it would be worse than originally thought, but they weren't actually experts - they just got lucky and there's no evidence that what they based their opinion on was based on irrefutable science. The ACTUAL experts such as Dr Fauci and Dr Birks, are not known to have given Trump advice which he has refused. In fact, Fauci has said that at the point that they made suggestions to limit the spread, Trump accepted. Any delay in taking action can't be the responsibility of Trump without it also being the responsibility of his coronavirus task force. Trump doesn't know anything about epidemiology and neither does any world leader - mostly because they're not epidemiologists!

Then honestly, sorry, you are a terrible human being who wants to see people die.

Trump has no issue with the states having the relevant say. Why do you think that he does?

Yeah, it certainly doesn't make sense to discuss it, because Mueller has settled the matter by saying that there's no evidence that Trump conspired with Russia. It really is just that simple! And no, I'm not ignoring the other half of the report which reveals that Trump did some pretty bad stuff - I'm only talking about the allegations of conspiring with Russia.

'Oppose' doesn't mean 'decide against.' Although perhaps it does in German?

Sure, but if it is proven in the future, then the WHO can either support or oppose them.

Mostly because they're not suspected to result in pandemics.

 

You brought up the Hong Kong flu and accused it was a Chinese wet market flu,... to now back peddle all the way since I point out Hong Kong wasn't part of China in them days, but part of the UK. Pathetic. Also... Hong Kong flu is a type of bird flu, as I noted... that happens all over the world.

Your point was that this doesn't happen outside China. And this happened outside China.
Everything point at that this comes from the US. It's a FACT that the US kept this secret, hence we can't prove it.
The US has no rights to question if China was been transparent enough, when the US has such a history.

Cats got their own brand of corona viruses. Hasn't stopped anybody from risking a cat to human mutation of that corona virus.

Point is... those infections happen. And it happens outside China just as well. Hasn't stopped people from having cattle.

The Spanish flu happened elsewhere. The Hong Kong flu happened elsewhere. MERS happened elsewhere.
Corona, is just a massive brand of a certain type of viruses. They are EVERYWHERE... originating all over the world.
Have an other one: The Dutch Corona of 2004 coronahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_coronavirus_NL63

Strict regulations as in The Netherlands, did not come with a grantee. So again, when a virus mutates to a human it does mean a place that has more humans has a higher chance.

You're just making up this rule that only second time offenders must be held accountable. Fact remains, no country has ever been held accountable for this. Only the GOP want to make China responsible, because the GOP are doing a terrible job in a year when elections happen,.. and they are fearing for their jobs... because we all know... THEY downplayed it, when they knew it was a rather deadly disease.