Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

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  1. stone6

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    Agreed.
     
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    Good God... the Atlantic. I thought people were smart enough to laugh off their ridiculous "reporting". They are a pure propaganda rag for those looking for the bias they deliver.

    Jared Kushner proved himself to be an amazing international deal maker for the Middle East and elsewhere. He took on a different approach of not going after the top level leaders / diplomats, but instead their underlings who were younger, with more of a stake in the future and potential to advance. He was able to get far more ground swell, or internal influencer support to push the leaders into these deals. He also now has a large relationship database of the next generation of leaders that are positive towards him and his approach. I was very wary of Jared Kushner at the start, but after talking with some Middle East associated within UAE, they filled me in on the "refreshing new approach" by the Kushner, which was widely praised and accepted in the Middle East.

    The tripe you quoted is just that tripe, written by hardcore partisans to belittle what are amazing peace deals that Trump deserves 100% credit for.
     
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    Most dems felt he should have been removed by the 25th amendment, however, the move would have been radical, I admit, given that he is not in a wheelchair and not completely incapacitated, especially given the uprising his base would have directed at his cabinet and the VP, so, in fairness to Pence, the idea is unrealistic.

    My view is that he was simply unfit, egregiously so, and the GOP could have easily evicted him from the Party, forcing him to go the independent route, which would have been the end of him. That would have been the nobler path, but, alas, Reince Priebus (RNC chairman at the time) was such a noodle, a la 'hall monitor-esque' sort of fellow, a veritable sycophant, imagining him having the temerity to evict Trump from the GOP was unrealistic, as well. However, it would have been quite the noble act, for the good of America, and all. But, noble acts are in short supply in the GOP, these days ( except for a few, such as Cheney ).
    Which provides us with incontrovertible proof that having a degree in law does not convey the wisdom sufficient to avoid cheap shots.
    As an attorney, I should think you would question all of the hysterics on this, and try, at the minimum, to get the other side of the story, because all that has been afforded thus far is a quote from a book, one that has clearly been, in my view, misunderstood, the result of lacking more context given in the book.

    Won't you at least read "Peril" ( page #129, as suggested by Woodward) , or read this?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/airforce-mag-milley’s-office-defends-calls-to-china-as-‘in-keeping-with-duties’-as-cjcs.592408/
     
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    Worse believing you know something when you don't doesn't make you a good poster.
    Trump is a pure lunatic who doesn't understand elections or the constitution. He thinks he's president and will be reinstated. A full blown nut bag.

    ttps://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trump-mocked-after-claiming-he-will-be-reinstated-as-us-president-by-august/news-story/ef4d33417bd54adfe2acf34453e8c6f0
    "Donald Trump mocked after claiming he will be reinstated as US President by August"
    "In a report yesterday, The Post said Mr Trump “remains relentlessly focused on the false claim that the November election was stolen from him and is increasingly consumed with the notion that ballot reviews pushed by his supporters around the country could prove that he won”, according to people familiar with his comments."
     
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    I did not quote the atlantic. Read my comment again. Besides, Atlantic is a merit worthy publication, worthy of quoting, from time to time. You may have an issue with a particular essayist/author, etc, but give reasons, and be specific, Otherwise, your 'kill the messenger' tactic is a logical fallacy. If it were Alex Jones, or David Duke, you might have a point, but, clearly, that is not the case here.

    Either refute the substance given (because 'kill the messenger' is a lazy cop out), or stay out of the debate.
     
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    You provide no substance. WTF are you even babbling about? The deals were clear. Yet, here you are linking the Atlantic and acting like they were not. Is it a slow day at the DailyKos again?
     
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    Amusing, truly, that you trot out a man who has never held a job in anything but government and has accomplished essentially nothing while doing it, how he just wants to use my tax dollars for more ****. The idea is to not take from me those tax dollars to pay for much of anything because the fed isn't supposed to be anywhere near so grotesquely gargantuan as it has grown to be.

    No one gives a **** what the minority political party thinks re: 25th amendment. Its real simple: Is he ****ing crazy? Like certifiable stick a fork in him? No? He's just an ******* you disagree with? Then he's not crazy? Then no 25th amendment. FFS.

    If the party bothered to run candidates who didn't suck diseased moose wang, there would not have been any need to do something so underhanded as you suggest. But the fact that there were so many candidates, and only about 3 of them had any sort of appeal, recognition, or good policies to talk about, and none of them were willing to actually reach out and swat Trump down because it's considered bad form to do so, is why he won. They literally made him the only person on the stage from that side willing to talk a little ****, and they vastly underestimated how attractive that would be to a statistically significant portion of the electorate who was honestly tired of the same mealy mouthed passive aggressive bullshit the pubs normally like to use in "debates". It was an emotionally charged race, and he was the only one using emotion. It makes sense why he won, even if its disgusting.

    Its not a cheap shot, its an honest statement of my opinion based on my actual lived experience with a person who acted just like Joe does and whom was diagnosed with dementia. It took YEARS to finish him off, and it did so slowly and by degrees. It unmanned him in a way that was very painful for him to accept, as it would be for anyone. Watching these people commit elder abuse on even this old reprobate who has expressed racial animus in the past and apparently sexual assaulted an employee, is disgusting. It also makes us appear laughably weak in the prison rules game of international politics and that's ****ing suicidal.

    Which is why I said from the jump that congress needs to call Milley on to the carpet and put a proctoscope up his *******. If what is represented did occur, if he did subvert the chain of command and take proactive action against an illegal order he assumed would happen, rather than reactive action against an illegal order actually given, that proctoscope can then turn in to the long dick of the law. As it stands: I'll work with what I've got to hand which seems damning, pending final disposition. I get to do that, I'm sitting here in the cheap seats with all you plebs.
     
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    Pelosi was concerned that Trump will run and win in 2024.
     
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    Hahahaha...seriously doubt it. Pelosi was concerned about his probable involvement in the January 6th attack on the Capitol.
     
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    Only because he might run in 2024. 1/6 is just an excuse. Trump pooped on many congress critters cash cows, mainly China.
     
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    Whata gal.

    Hahahaha? Is that you Kamala?
     
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    Kushner was a total Failure but keep slinging the right wing rotten hash. His fantasy strategy was that the Palestinians would somehow forget their dispute regarding East Jerusalem through investments in Gaza and the West Bank while hoping the Arab states would pressure the Palestinians into a peace deal with Israel.. This fantasy strategy collapsed totally and war ensued. J Kushner (like his father-in-law) was an idiot and total failure who thought he could take the Palestinian's minds off East Jerusalem which has always been and will always be a conflict creating issue in the Middle East.
    The moron Kushner was too dumb to understand the Palestinians deep religious connections to East Jerusalem
     
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    SO WHAT? They are ADVISERS ONLY as I have repeatedly shown. Milley injected himself where he has NO authority to issue ANY command or exert ANY control and especially in an attempt to usurp the constitutional authority of the civilian control on the military by the Commander in Cheif, it's the CONSTITUTION and it's the LAW.
     
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    Sorry...but no patriotic American can dismiss the January 6th attack on the nation's Capitol.
     
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    What does Kamala have to do with January 6th?
     
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    They do so at the direction of their superiors an do not insinuate authority they do not have and certainly do not tell our enemies they will give them a heads up in case of an attack.
     
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    That is to deploy forces into a foreign country for a period of time as has been noted to you.

    As I noted

    Democrats Want Biden to Relinquish Sole Authority for Nuclear Launches
    https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_us-po...-sole-authority-nuclear-launches/6202565.html

    NO other authority required.
     
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    No...U.S. military officers take their oath's of allegiance to the Constitution, not the President. And, they are bound to follow only lawful orders. A first strike order from the President would have been unlawful. Read the War Powers Act.
     
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    A nuclear attack on another country would be considered "introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities."
     
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    I will try one more time since you refuse to accept the facts as I have pointed out and confusion deploying forces onto foreign soil and a nuclear attack which requires NO consulting or permission or agreement. And ESPEICALLY MILLEY. He has NO involvement and cannot stop it and cannot order anyone anything.

    The President and Nuclear Weapons: Authorities, Limits, and Process

    May Congress Limit or Prohibit Use of Nuclear Weapons?

    Currently, no statute limits or regulates the president’s authority to use nuclear weapons. Bills on the subject have been introduced and debated over the decades, however,42 and congressional interest has increased recently.43 Like questions about authorization, the extent of Congress’s authority to pass such a statute is controversial, although Congress certainly has some power to affect the president’s decision-making in this area if it chooses to act.
    https://media.nti.org/documents/The_President_and_Nuclear_Weapons_Authorities_Limits_and_Process.pdf

    That includes the War Powers Act.
     
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    A fact, yep. Someone who has to make stuff up for lack of an facts. So either quote me claiming Trump won or admit you blew that one out your arse.
     
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    Coming from someone who literally believes that a crazy president has full authority to send Nuclear weapons to another country strictly because he was mad at something someone said your credibility is shredded.
     
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    No it would not, armed forces are troops.
     
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    Do you believe the law and Constitution?

    The President and Nuclear Weapons: Authorities, Limits, and Process

    May Congress Limit or Prohibit Use of Nuclear Weapons?

    Currently, no statute limits or regulates the president’s authority to use nuclear weapons. Bills on the subject have been introduced and debated over the decades, however,42 and congressional interest has increased recently.43 Like questions about authorization, the extent of Congress’s authority to pass such a statute is controversial, although Congress certainly has some power to affect the president’s decision-making in this area if it chooses to act.
    https://media.nti.org/documents/The_President_and_Nuclear_Weapons_Authorities_Limits_and_Process.pdf
     
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    Sorry...launching a nuclear war against another country without provocation would be illegal.
     

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