Worst President in the last 50 years - Fair honest poll

Well it's true Nixon definitely sabotaged the peace talks, but the peace talks were a complete waste of time because the North Vietnamese never intended peace. Had the peace talks gone as planned. We would have come up with a peace plan and as soon as America left the north would have invaded the south and murdered all the south vietnamese they wanted.
Thing to remember the North Vietnamese leaders, were murderoue evil men just as bad or worse than the south vietnamese government.

We were the only good guys ever involved in Vietnam.

 

Obama greatly reduced the body count both at home and abroad after taking over from war profiteering scum Cheney/Bush. They let us get attacked, started two wars for profit then left laughing all the way to the bank after crashing the economy and bailing out their bank swindlers friends. After these psychopaths, Obama was a Godsend.

 

Obama used the IRS to go after political adversaries and his secretary of state used the FBI i. An attempt to subvert a presidential election.. thats as evil as it gets

 

That is all unfounded speculation against the Obama administration fabricated by political opponents. I was talking about actual events such as total breakdown in national security causing the deaths of 3000 Americans on US soil, starting trillion dollar wars in which tens of thousands of US servicemen were killed and maimed needlessly and destabilization of the region. Then right before skulking out of office the economy went into freefall and Bush came begging to bail out his bank and insurance swindlers friends. The numbers don’t lie. Cheney/Bush presided over these wasteful, bloody and economic disasters. Obama came in with the economy in shambles two idiotic wars raging and reversed these trends by his steady leadership. The death tolls went way down and the economy steadily gained strength. Again, the numbers don’t lie..

 

Oh great. Another Obama worshiper. Just what the forum needs.
Say sport, how did he reduce the body counts?
Why claim Cheney and Bush were profiting from war when you know it is not true?
So sport, you think the wars were not needed but you blame them for the attack on 911? That takes some tall proof that you do not have.

Bush had no tools available to him to crash the economy. And you can't name those tools.

He did not bail out the banks, but his administration did force the Banks to accept cash for reserved to ward off a disaster. And the banks were not happy they had to pay the funds back including interest.

Obama was a joke. Things he takes credit for show he ran a clown circus.

 

Or the US and her Allies would have found themselves in a ground (and possibly nuclear) war with China? Essentially every president thought Vietnam was a losing proposition but could never see a way out.

 

Nixon was a realist, he allowed the South Vietnamese to hold out against the communist tyranny for another 6 years whilst withdrawing US forces by the spring of 1972. Sorry about your brother but that doesn't make it any less true.

If Clinton or Bush had done what was necessary to defeat AQ before 9/11 (airstrikes, commando raids, assassinations) they would have been denounced as war criminals and impeached, it took the Twin Towers for everyone to wake up. What would you have said if the US had gone on a war footing for 6 months before 9/11 as the CIA recommended? That it was the Black Helicopter apocalypse?

The US didn't start the war in Afghanistan, that was were AQ WERE! Bush actually offered the Taliban to be left alone if they gave up AQ but they refused. In Iraq they toppled an odious dictator and it seems to be working out these days.

Please, no war profiteer conspiracy theories, they were nonsense in 1917 and they're nonsense now!

 

They're not 'fake' conservatives.

 

What war profiteering? Don't talk nonsense, people have been looking for evidence for that for a decade and there has been not one shred of proof! They 'let us get attacked'? That's absurd! Obama reduced the body count because Bush's 'surge' had effectively won the conflict.

 

Oh, THAT's unfounded speculation but your profiteer conspiracy theories are true? For starters roughly 2600 Americans died on 9/11. The region was plenty destabilised beforehand. Bush didn't skulk out of office, he had done what was necessary to save the economy and Obama wisely continued his policies. I think Obama was a good guy but you can't praise him and damn Bush.

 

They most definitely are.

"Conservatives" don't oppose free trade. Conservatives care about massive budget deficits. Conservatives are supposed to give a **** about the rule of law and the Constitution.

What we have in the GOP today is a cult of personality. A very flawed personality.

 

Barack Obama wasnt only the worst president... he was also the most corrupt. In time, the truth will cone out.

 

Yes, and it's like I posted to rabid supporters/worshipers of all things Barack in nature during the Obama years; in that the ONLY reasons he polled as popular as he did during those eight years was a combination of ethically corrupt polling companies generally willing to play political footsies with the DNC and the blatantly leftist-allied Mainstream Media doing the equivalent of HOWLING non stop that Barack was the greatest thing ever to come down the political pike while they frantically spun and covered for all his screw ups.

Far too many people responded to the dual propaganda blitzes in the way that all too many -- intellectually average -- people do tend to do. It's only now that the DNC and the MSM and the DNC bought and paid for polling companies are no longer working together to artificially keep Barack's popularity Peter-Principled beyond reality that vast numbers of FORMER and merely lukewarm Obama supporters are finally waking up to what a piece of garbage he actually was as president.

This I told Obama worshipers would happen and thus it is finally happening. Vindication aside, however, I would just as soon not have suffered through eight years worth of that son of a biscuit eater bad mouthing this nation while race-agitating non stop. Sigh . . . but so it goes.

All that said, however, I don't consider G.W. Bush to have been a great president either.

 

You mean the Mueller Report utterly vindicates Trump president? That Trump? You do know that he hasn't even finished his first term yet and yet unlike Barack Obama Trump has actually produced a roaring economy and has EASILY destroyed Barack's Junior Varsity ISSIS and so forth and so on?

 

I find the media hysteria and propaganda the 'molder' of public opinion, rather than truth, policy, history, or results. The feeling based hatred of Bush, and now Trump, are DIRECTLY related to the constant propaganda streams from the MSM.

For the damages to American Unity, Obama has the worst record. Stirring racial tension, instead of healing it. Corruption exploded, and deficit spending, under Obama, and the fantasy of 'free stuff!' was fed, encouraging dependency. Foreign policy was a nightmare, and militant islamists grew exponentially under his admin.
The American Ideal, of self rule, freedom, and equality took a big hit under Obama, as socialist delusions became mainstream, and messianic elitism gripped the democracy. Indoctrination bloomed under his oversight.

I do see Obama as a symptom, not the Cause, of American decline, but he was there during an accelerated time of destruction, so he gets the credit.

 

The Chinese needed us a lot more than they needed the North Vietnamese.
Vietnam may have been a losing proposition but it was not for any tactical reason. We had good equipment good men.
The only reason the war was long and horrible was idiot politicians. Had we destroyed ,Hanoi, bombef the dikes, mine the harbors and rail lines and tried Ms Fonda for treason it would have been a very short war.

But then i subscribe to the theory Billy Mitchell and Ernst Udet's battle theory.
If you are gonna go to war then you fight it viciously and without mercy until the other side gives up or is no longer capable of mounting a resistance. That is the only ethical way to fight a war.

 

Obama still way out front and Jimmy Carter in 2nd. Pretty accurate poll, fair and honest too.

 

Umm no it's historical fact. The IRS as part of the Obama administration did in fact target conservative non profits. Its a matter of historical fact

Likewise members of the Clinton campaign did in fact have manufactured a fake dossier and gave it to the fbi which knowing that it was fake used it to fraudulently attain warrants for wiretaps on candidate Trump.
On top of that the members of the FBI investigation has " unprecedented animus " towards candidate Trump and very strong support for Clinton, whom by the way they failed to investigate for her wrongdoing.
And on and on and on and on
No doubt Trump is a scumbag in his personal life and a loud mouth idiot on Twitter.
Other than that he is doing his job well and the Democrats cannot stand it.
Trump is infinitely better than Obama not as a matter of opinion but as a matter of objective fact.
Unless of course corruption and subverting the constitution is what you call good.
Problem is it wasn't just the Obama administration remember the evil that senate Democrats did to Brett Kavanaugh?
And now the house Democrats are having more investigations because the first one didn't reach the conclusion they wanted.

Get over it already. He's your president!
Yup he paid a porn star hush money, the American people don't care.
Boo stinking hoo..
This whole episode can be boiled down to the Democrats beind sore loser babies and nothing else.

 

I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...

 

Perhaps the definition of conservative has changed? Certainly the label liberal today is very different than it used to be?

 

Now they do, not then. Again, it wouldn't have changed the basic situation. If Vietnam was a peninsula like Korea then the South would certainly have survived, as long as they had their sanctuaries in Laos and Cambodia it was impossible.

 

I ain't buying it because I'm not the gullible one. You mean you have no comeback?

 

They needed us back then too. That's why Nixon opened up the targeting for linebacker and linebacker 2.

We also should have full on invaded Cambodia and Laos. We should have annihilate the pathet lao like we did the viet cong.

If we wanted to win that is. Point being it was winnable but Johnson didn't pursue victory.
Thus making him a horrible president.
Not entirely his fault, he inherited a mess.

 

You mean the report that specifically say it does not exoneratre Trump? That Trump? Yup. That Trump.

And I am aware he hasnt finished his first term. I can count to 4 thanks. And the damage he as done in just the 2 and a half years he has been in office is just ridiculous.

 

The report put together using very biased anti Trump FBI? You honestly expect the report to be accurate and free of animosity?