Worst U.S. President of Last 50 Years

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Worst U.S. President of the Last 50 Years

  1. Nixon

    3 vote(s)
    2.4%
  2. Ford

    2 vote(s)
    1.6%
  3. Carter

    35 vote(s)
    28.2%
  4. Reagan

    3 vote(s)
    2.4%
  5. GHW Bush

    6 vote(s)
    4.8%
  6. Clinton

    9 vote(s)
    7.3%
  7. GW Bush

    13 vote(s)
    10.5%
  8. Trump

    53 vote(s)
    42.7%
  1. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now you're making things up, again.

    No one said they "start wars to influence the economy". I said that they DO influence the economy. Not that a war was started TO influence the economy.

    What you've claimed is really childish.

    Here are just a few sources that COMPLETELY prove you wrong. One being from the United Nations Economic Counsel.

    Once again- quit while you're this low. No need to make this even more hilarious for yourself.

    http://cepr.net/documents/publications/military_spending_2007_05.pdf

    https://www.globalpolicy.org/humani...occupation-of-iraq/economic-consequences.html

    https://www.forbes.com/2010/08/31/costs-war-military-iraq-afghanistan-business-oxford.html

    https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/economic/economy

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/feb/02/foreignpolicy.iraq

    https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/policy/proj_link/documents/presentations03/bivens_0403.PDF
     
  2. Nemesis

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/...er-over-the-economy-than-you-might-think.html

    https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...ster-under-democrats-than-republicans/375180/

    https://fortune.com/2017/07/20/donald-trump-economy-stock-market-jobs-reports-credit/

    Presidents can affect the economy through the decisions they make, but it often takes years to gauge the impact. For instance, most economists now say President Obama’s stimulus package helped pull the U.S. out of the recession, even though a majority of Americans at the time believed it didn’t work. Likewise, President George W. Bush’s decision to launch the Iraq War could have contributed to the Great Recession, economists note. But, even so, the president, Bruner says, is just one of the “many cooks in the kitchen” that influence the economy.
     
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    Have you read any of those articles? They don't state what you claim they state, and you've tried to change the complexion of the debate so that you can make a phetic attempt to be "right".

    Wars can impact the economy, but not like you're claiming---see the Fortune article I cited to. I actually read the article.

    The original debate was that moronic and incompetent Bonespurs cannot claim credit for the economy, but you've started sobbing about how they can influence the economy through wars.

    Take your first article, for example---it's not simply focused on the Iraq war (that was from 2007, BTW), but rather on high military spending, which can take place without a war.
     
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    My first impulse was to vote Carter.

    But after a moment's thought, I spared him because he meant well.

    Instead, I voted for Clinton.

    There are several reasons he was the worst, but the one I can make the easiest case for is that he knew what he was doing when he sold and gave China our missile and rocket and computer technologies.

    He deserved to be prosecuted for treason.

    https://archives.frontpagemag.com/fpm/flashback-bill-clinton-gave-china-missile-matthew-vadum/
     
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    Yeah, Carter showed us that you can't dig into the minutiae on every issue--you have to have more of a 10,000 foot view.
     
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    World war II, it built the middle class, the world was in ruins and no competition.
     
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    Absolutely NOT universally accepted.

    He has the best POTUS performance of any POTUS since Lincoln.

    Donald Trump is a GREAT President.
     
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    There is ABSOLUTELY no way you just read those articles. Look at the time you posted your reply vs. when I posted the STUDIES.

    One of them is over 100 pages.

    You really have no idea how radical you look right now.

    President Bonespurs makes better rebuttals than you!
     
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    https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-iraq-war-timeline-economic-impact-3306301

    This article BLATANTLY answers my point- and proves you wrong. With budget report links, economic impact, and total economic recovery.
     
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    In the 1990's, a young Chicago attorney worked to strong arm local area mortgage lenders into making risky loans to unqualified borrowers. When those loans went bad, the secondary mortgage market couldnt sell them to investors, as is usually done, unless they were packaged with GOOD mortgages.

    Eventually, these caused the failure of the mortgage industry in America in the last year of the GW Bush administration.

    Guess who the young Chicago strong arming lawyer was?

     
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    Obama said the economy couldnt replace the lost jobs unless Trump used a "Magic Wand."


    Obama Magic Wand (Trump Makes Obama Regret His Jobs Prediction - The Blaze)

     
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    The only thing I'd say is that some credit is due for the expenditures to stop the free-fall, but that wasn't just him, it was Congress as well. And it only was a hard nudge in the right direction.
    I read it. It does not.

    Do you grasp why there's no distinction between "war" and overspending on, well, anything?

    There's simply not. If expenditures have a huge price tag, there must be a way to pay for it, otherwise it becomes a drag. BushII tried to fight 2 wars without figuring out a way to pay for them in advance. That's the problem--the problem the way you flatly described it (ie just fighting a war)--is not the issue.
     
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    Trump CAMPAIGNED on the promise he would restore jobs.
    Obama ridiculed him and suggested that the only way to keep his promise was with a "Magic Wand."
    That showed that not only did Obama not know how to increase the numbers of jobs in America, but that he didnt think ANYONE could do it, ESPECIALLY TRUMP!

    Trump did it.

    If you want to maintain it was not ALL due to Trump, you weaken your own credibility here.

    And, if I'm not mistaken, our credibility is all we have on these boards.

    Throw yours away.

    It is okay with me.

    If in the future the readers forget how you wagered your integrity on useless shadings of a verifiable fact, I hope someone will remind them.

    :banana:
     
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    Trump didn't have anything to do with 10 year old economic trends. If you think that's magically true in fairytale land, show me.
     
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    When Obama speaks, he hisses. His snake tongue speech hurts my ears.

    What a ****in' liar. He is hands-down the worst president this country has ever had.
     
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    Oh, no need to show you or I anything.

    Instead, show it to Obama who said it couldn't be done.

    Dont you believe he was aware of those 10 year trends?

    Or didnt HE care about HIS credibility?

    EDIT: Well, there IS the possibility that he was LYING.

    Or that he was a staggering failure as a POTUS and that his statement was just another clue to us of it.

    It’s not simply that Mr. Obama has fallen short of what he promised; it’s that he has been, in so many respects, a failure. Choose your metrics. Better yet, choose Mr. Obama’s metrics: Job creation. Economic growth. Improving our health-care system. Reducing the debt. Reducing poverty. Reducing income inequality. Slowing the rise of the oceans. Healing the planet. Repairing the world. The Russian “reset.” Peace in the Middle East. Red lines in Syria. Renewed focus on Afghanistan. A new beginning with the Arab world. Better relations with our allies. Depolarizing our politics. Putting an end to the type of politics that “breeds division and conflict and cynicism.” Working with the other party. Transparency. No lobbyists working in his administration. His commitment to seek public financing in the general election. The list goes on and on.

    From <https://www.commentarymagazine.com/american-society/obamas-staggering-record-of-failure/>
     
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    They should make a custom car horn that does that. LOL.
     
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    Yes. You should have some basis to make a claim, and assert that basis when you seek to support that claim. It's called "debating".

    You should give it a try! It's funfunFUN!

    And I doubt that ignorant Bonespurs was aware of that long-term trend prior to trying to take credit for it.
     
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    In some neighborhoods it would be YUUUGELY popular!

    :angered:
     
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    After Ted Cruz visited Candidate Trump and they spent time together, Trump left singing the gospel of KEEPING ALL HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISES as a way to win the election. Cruz is on record in a Book TV in depth interview circa 2015 (before the campaign or Trump's announcement to run) as meeting with a Texas constituent who didnt even vote for him, who said that he greatly respected Cruz's commitment to keeping his campaign promises.

    So, when Trump campaigned and repeatedly promised he would increase the jobs in America, even when the former President laughed and scoffed at Trump's claim that he would increase jobs, Trump must have either known about your ten year trends (it is possible, because after all, HE IS A BILLIONAIRE INTERNATIONAL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER AND MAJOR EMPLOYER, with 35,000 employees on the payroll), OR he wasnt relying on trends but on his own first hand knowledge of how to do it.

    Either way, Trump is AWESOME.
     
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    Why was Obama, the obviously worst President in the nations history, not included?
     
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    Best at upsetting the corrupt establishment. It has their panties in knots!
     
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    Why dont any of you cite any of the actual and unambiguous examples of harm that Pres. Trump has supposedly caused?

    Because you guys are always short on substance and long on attitude and accusations.

    This is an example of what I challenge you guys to produce.

    It’s not simply that Mr. Obama has fallen short of what he promised; it’s that he has been, in so many respects, a failure. Choose your metrics. Better yet, choose Mr. Obama’s metrics: Job creation. Economic growth. Improving our health-care system. Reducing the debt. Reducing poverty. Reducing income inequality. Slowing the rise of the oceans. Healing the planet. Repairing the world. The Russian “reset.” Peace in the Middle East. Red lines in Syria. Renewed focus on Afghanistan. A new beginning with the Arab world. Better relations with our allies. Depolarizing our politics. Putting an end to the type of politics that “breeds division and conflict and cynicism.” Working with the other party. Transparency. No lobbyists working in his administration. His commitment to seek public financing in the general election. The list goes on and on.


    From <https://www.commentarymagazine.com/american-society/obamas-staggering-record-of-failure/
     
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    You know that just because you say "It does not", does not make you correct...right?

    A president can EASILY affect the economy with their policies. Which was the point I made, cited, and proved. The Bush wars that you loved so much absolutely affected the economy...as cited for you.

    Now- move along. You got OWNED this time! lol
     
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    *LOL*

    I cited to a number of economic works that presidents don't have much influence on the economy. You? You ranted about wars, and my educated responses actually used material from the off-base sources that you cited to but didn't read.

    I accept your surrender.

    Does changing the subject really ever work for you?
     
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