Would pro-choicers be more principled than "pro-lifers" under an abortion ban?

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    Say a national ban. Would those who are pro-choice....offer their homes as sanctuary to women seeking , offer then aid, or even help them escape to Canada or overseas?

    I think so. Merely look at the Danes in WW-2 or the Underground Railroad in the 1850s.


    But what of the "baby-loving" "pro-lifers"....would THEY volunteer for a civilian Womb Police to stop the women? Would they take turns manning guardposts along the Canadian border or as ultrasound operators at the airports? Would they form Neighborhood Watchs to monitor women? Would they join the DEA in its pursuit of RU-486 smuggling?

    Or simply kick back and relax and say "We banned it. Why should I put myself out any more?" and not really care if the "babies" were still being aborted....just pat themselves on the back for the fact it was illegal and go on with their lives?

    I think the latter. Their "concern" for the "unborn" would promptly vanish....the occasional rally on the anniversary of Roe....or posting on a blog...or voting for some "pro-life Republican".....is all the effort they would feel they had to muster to "save the babies".
     
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    I would.

    I'm way too passionate about this issue to not be one of those who would help in a situation like this.
     
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    I think most pro-choice people are. Even if it was state-by-state....pro-choicers would come up with a way to help poor women in an anti-choice State to get to the Free States, monetarily and/or volunteering.

    Meanwhile 99% of your "pro-lifers" who supposed care about "saving babies" would be sitting on their butts watching Fox and not doing a damn thing for their so-called "princples". Even the folks who turn out for the DC rallies every anniversary of Roe?.....would have given up and moved on to trying to stop gay marriage or get mandatory prayer back in public schools.
     
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    yep and all the other 'little' things they can't answer would just disappear into the ether, like;

    IVF programs
    Chimera Twins
    Self-Defence
    Stem Cell research.

    It would be a case of what the eyes don't see the heart can't feel.
     
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    An interesting hypothetical I think (as all talk of a "national abortion ban" IS hypothetical....sorry "pro-lifers").

    Once they "got what they wanted"...would the "pro-lifers" become apathetic. We see young Sam here believe with all his heart that "If abortion was banned, there wouldn't hardly be any abortions, because it'd be illegal!!!!" So what would he do in such a situation?

    Would he be out volunteering to help the local cops ultrasound random women to make sure the ones that were pregnant were registered and checked to make sure they "stayed that way"....in order to "save the babies"? Would he join the Womb TSA and work at an ultrasound at his local airport, making sure there were no "escapees"? Would he join the DEA to hunt down RU-486 smugglers?

    Or would he give up his concern for the "babies'....assured that "It's illegal, the babies are safe"....and move on with his life?

    Meanwhile, those of us who are pro-choice....would be doing what we could for women, who would mostly be poor women (again, no "pro-lifer" yet can deny a Ban would easily be avoided by middle class, surely by rich women).

    Funding bus fare to Pro-Choice States...or into Canada. Creating "safehouse" clinics where they could go, places NOT butcher shops by quacks or pre-med students trying to cover their student loans. Doing what we could to see to it that contraception and RU-486 were available.

    To be more blunt, I think pro-choicers are more serious about their principles, than are the "pro-lifers"....and would actually fight for them, even at the risk of their own liberty.
     
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    I agree, I also think that there would be a sudden surge in donations for such things as this;

    http://www.womenonwaves.org/

    in order for them to provide fully operational abortion procedures.
     
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    Maybe we don't want your abortion refugees?

    I am pro choice but I am not pro Americans coming in to my country to leech off my universal healthcare system which is what would happen.
     
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    I like the analogy to the Underground Railroad. Especially since most of the Anti-Choice States?....are also part of the Old Confederacy. While the Pro-Choice States are the old Union.
     
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    Don't even want them in Canada if charities pay for their abortions. They are American citizens.

    You deal with them. This is not wartime. It's not Canada's obligation. It's pretty easy not to get pregnant.

    Maybe teach that to your populace?
     
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    I think the idea is that money would change hands, probably by donations from pro-choice groups for the poorest.
     
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    I don't. Africans fleeing the US from slavery is all kinds of different than a stupid woman getting pregnant.
     
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    Not necessarily. You still have private "spas", don't you? Canada could keep healthcare to only citizens....but those "spas" could operate on a pay-per-service basis.

    Also, we have the Bahamas, Mexico, and Cuba.

    Plus this is just a hypothetical....there will NOT be a national ban on abortion in America. Even "state-by-state" is highly unlikely.

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    The blacks were legally "property" in the Old South and had no rights..

    Under an Abortion Prohibition, a pregnant woman would be the "property" of the Federal Government. She would no longer have any rights.
     
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    You Americans are so typical. Hypothetically or not, deal with your own people. Don't force them on to your neighbours.
     
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    I'll let you into a secret .. I'm not American, and the link posted is to a group who provide things while outside of the territorial waters of the relevant country, so you (as a Canadian) wouldn't have to "deal with them"

    I agree, IF the right comprehensive sex education is available and all contraception is free .. unfortunately those who want to control a woman's body also want to control when she has sex.
     
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    No. No excuses If you live in a western country.
    We are in the information age. Everyone in some way has access to the internet.
    If you are too stupid to google how to have sex safely, or to find local org's that will help, then you are too stupid to even be alive. Condoms are not expensive. Neither is contraceptive devices. I worked at a pharmacy. There is no excuse you can make for women who get abortions unless they were raped.
     
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    Hmm, You do realize that these fundie types place 'net nanny' type programs onto their computers to filter out anything of that nature their teenage son/daughter may wish to find out about and that with the constant pro-lifers camped outside most if not all clinics that could offer sexual advice .. would you as a teenager go into one, add to that-that a large number of states in the USA do not provide any form of sex education except abstinence (which has proven not to stop teens engaging in sex) in their schools.

    Cost of the most secure contraception in the USA is out of reach of most teenagers and the poorest - IUD costs between $500 and $1,000 up front, but lasts up to 12 years, the biggest problem with low cost contraception is that it relies on the person to get it right, ie how to correctly put on a condom or to remember to take a pill every day .. without the comprehensive sex education many don't know how to use a condom correctly.

    It's a worrying fact that a full 1/3rd of teenage girls in America believe that they cannot get pregnant the first time they have sex, and even more worrying fact is that a large number have been led to believe that contraception does not work, their attitude is if it doesn't work why bother.

    I don't need to make excuses for them, they have the right to control what or 'who' uses their bodies.

    I find it strange that you as a Canadian living in a country with some of the most liberal laws on abortion react this way, after all even with few if any laws governing abortion you STILL have a lower abortion rate that the US that has much stricter abortion laws .. doesn't that tell you something like abortion legislation doesn't work.
     
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    Bottom line is the info is out there. Search for it. It's their responsibility if the state won't teach them.
     
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    Except they are based on fact .. try google as you place so much faith in it.

    ... but if you choose not to, then please do at least have a look at the state laws governing sex education in schools

    http://www.teen-aid.org/State_Resourses/State_Sex_Education_Laws.htm
     
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    As I said, they can search for the information on their own.
     
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    Abortion can not and will not be banned in the United States.

    Such a ban would be considered without a doubt Unconstitutional.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    What "force"? Who profited from Prohibition in the 20s, if not you Canadians. Liquor was legal there, and you could get a HIGHER price for it, smuggling it into the US.
     

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