Would Trump have won without Russia's help?

Would Trump of won without Russia? I still have yet to hear from the collective exsactly how Russia helped. Did Putin send Russian tax money and goons to help Trump like The Obama did in Israel? I really have no idea what Russia effected. Enlighten me

 

Had Russia or Wikileaks affected the way Americans think and vote, we wouldn't have been convinced on election eve that Clinton was going to win. In fact, she received several million more votes than Trump. What happened is that Trump out hustled and out foxed the Clinton campaign in a few key states and captured the Electoral votes. What the Wikileaks data showed Americans is a more accurate account of the heart of liberalism and the collusion between Democrats and the main stream media. I've yet to hear anyone say that Wikileaks caused them to vote for Trump, and that they now regret it. In short, the Trump Presidency is the will of the people and the law.

 

1) The Russians hacked DNC computers and gave stuff to Wikileaks - so says our intelligence agencies
2) Comey announced that they would "investigate" the email dump
3) No GOP info was released
4) Numerous GOP hacks - including Trump - attacked Hillary as "Under investigation"

That's a very high level synopsis, kept simple so you could grasp it.

The election was EXTREMELY close. THAT is fact. Nobody can prove the Russians caused the vote result, but is is reasonable to conclude that a few voters - and that's all it took - were influenced by the "Hillary under investigation" attack.

Now, of course, we know that Trump was, and is STILL under investigation for colluding with the Russians, but Comey didn't announce THAT before the election as he did about Hillary. Comey Did say Hillary was cleared of wrongdoing, but that was after many had early-voted.

 

We all have known how corrupt the collective is, all WIKI did was prove it.

 

and why was that bad? Isn't the DNC full of great people doing great things? It should of helped them if anything.

That's when Hillary got screwed by Wiener. The left seems to be infested with pedophiles, pervs, and an army of tools who defend them. I don't see how this was Russia's fault. Like Hillary saying the vast right wing conspiracy keeps making her husband cheat on her.

So... GOP E-mails like, "Hey Bob, wanna go to Taco Bell for lunch?" Nobody would care.

She was, and maybe still is.

LOL

Up until the day of, everyone thought Hillary was gunna win in a landslide. I don't see how Russia made Hillary use a private email server to conduct government business. Maybe it was when she was selling out our Uranium to them.

I still don't see how the Russians helped. Seems like Hillary using a private server to sell influence was her undoing.

 

I honestly believe Putin was getting back at the Clintons for interfering in Russian elections.

 

I figured Israel hacked the DNC, and framed Russia, in retaliation for The Obama sending US tax money and goons to directly interfere in their sovereign election.

 

This thread lacks McCarthy-ites

 

Guess nobody thinks Trump needed Russia's help to win.

 

I voted no, but evidently Russian hackers turned my vote to yes...

 

I think Trump scrounged the votes up where they counted. I don't think Russia influenced those votes specifically at all. In hindsight, I think the dems took those people's votes for granted and people don't like to be taken for granted. I find the Russian meddling and all the linkages really troubling, and the response by the right even more so.

 

I always thought that Putin worked for Yeltsin before he became PM?

 

Yes Putin was an underling to Yeltsin but he blamed Yeltsin and others for the breakup of the Soviet Union.

 

You must not have listened to assange last week, when he gave the links to leaks from the RNC? There was no scandal involved in the leaks and so it was not newsworthy.

We are yet to see evidence of Russian hacking, or its distribution to wilkileaks. And the NSA would have it, IF it existed. All we have are opinion from the FBI and NSA. The software used to hack the DNC, was old software, with Russian finger prints, which they would not have left behind.

We have seen leaks, leaks, leaks, with none of them containing any evidence at all. This Russia conspiracy began as a political ploy, and that is all it ever will be.

So, eventually, you will see a perp walk, but it will be intel, and Obama admin people doing the walks. This looks to make Watergate look like amateur hour, given the depth of this politically driven conspiracy. Trump will have the last laugh, and once again your tribe will be shown for what they are. A clear and present danger to our republic, what is left of it.

What has gone on just shows what a tremendous threat trump is to the corruption of the establishment. Trump was elected to begin tearing apart this treason and corruption in DC, where the People had lost all representation.. And that is what hopefully he will do, once this Russian ruse of collusion is out of the way. Trump's justice dept will send so many democrats to prison, for crimes, so you better buy up the tissues early on to dry your tears, as the wailing will be intense.

What might have hurt Hillary with independents was the simple truth of what she and the DNC are. If the truth hurts you, there is no just cause to complain about it. Only criminals and supporter of criminals would complain.

 

I always thought that it was Gorbachev that was held responsible and that Yeltsin was seen more as a drunk and not a threat. I don't think Putin outright hated the Clintons until what happen in Ukraine. I was under the impression that Putin blames Hillary Clinton for Ukraine (the whole resistance to his Russian take over) and that Trump was also a close business associate of his. I was told that the Kremlin always controls the Oligarchs and Trump would be no different.

 

This thought is pretty common. The DNC and the media were colluding to produce polls showing Hillary way up everywhere(thx wiki). They even thought Texas was in play. I believe that they created the Hillary landslide lie, then told it so many times they began to believe it themselves and allocated their resources accordingly.

I find it to be ginned up excuse for the landslide not coming true. The same people who told you Hillary was a lock/landslide, are the same establishment worshipers pushing this Russia BS as their excuse why they were so wrong. If you give them any credibility and think there is some big bad Russian hacker to blame for Hillarys loss, that's your fault.

 

So you believe Trump needed Russia's help and he's like a KGB agent? Keep the kool-aid flowing

 

I think the Russians are hacking my poll. Or maybe Podesta sent a guide to PF on how to rig polls to make Russia look good?

 

From PF perspective we should get new republican instead for the Trump ?! Rubio get it right ?!

 

That's your own blind spot. I just said that I didn't think Russia was to blame for Hillary's loss. The linkages are there not to mention 17 agencies who know better than you. You can throw your lot in with the people who would like this to go away because it's inconvenient. I think they should finish their investigations.

 

Uh... sure...

 

I do too. Finish the investigations. In the end I bet the Russia hack threads will be just as funny as the Hillary landslide threads soon enough.

 

You telling me that I don't see Russia wanting Trump to win... So they hack the DNC and reveille how vile and corrupt the DNC is?

So why did Hillary lose? Would Trump had won without the Russians help?

 

The choices are ridiculous, so I didn't vote. It is starting to appear that the Russian meddling had more to do with a massive number of inflammatory emails. Some ALT-Righters that I know, forwarded some of this garbage to me, in the days leading up to the election. Full of four-letter words, etc. All attacks that I saw were directed at Clinton and Obama. None targeted Republicans.

 

If you believe anything "russia" had been good for Trump you are out of your mind..

Russia is just the left's red herring these days, it's all a load of BS plain and simple..