Would Trump work more effectively with Congress than Obama?

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  1. thinkitout

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    At the beginning of Obama’s first term, the Republican hierarchy PUBLICLY instructed its followers to oppose ALL legislation supported by him, thereby prioritizing partisan politics over national interests.

    But Donald Trump, the maverick conservative standard bearer, thinks he can singlehandedly solve all of our country’s problems alone, with the help of a group of personal advisors. Continually vowing to quickly implement solutions to chronic problems, his is obviously ignoring procedural impediments. Will Congress submit to the will of "THE BOSS"?

    I don’t believe that his ego will allow him to be bullied into compromise, even with his own party. Mistrusted by Republicans and loathed by the opposition, I am not optimistic about the outcome.
     
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    thinkitout Well-Known Member

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-republicans_us_57a9ee83e4b0b770b1a458fd
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/08/...-troubles-threaten-congressional-republicans/
     
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    Trump would have ZERO chance to get any of his agenda passed.

    If he proposed anything "radical", the Dems would obstruct him (just like the GOP has obstructed Obama).

    Expect 4 more years of gridlock (regardless of who wins).
     
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    Oh I dont know about all that.

    Trump is a deal maker, with a republican congress.
     
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    That's just a hollow campaign slogan. If he wins, he's going to learn that passing legislation is a lot different than buying and selling real estate.
     
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    Oh Im sure, but keep in mind Trump doesnt give a damn about these morons in government.

    When they demand a kick back, Trump wont cover and lie for them.
     
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    Trump isn't much of a deal maker, really.

    Being a one on one deal maker for your own privately held business is way different from building consensus and persuading diverse groups of people who owe you nothing to support your program, cause or bill.

    Donald Trump has ZERO experience at the latter and no understanding of how to go about it.

    Moreover, what little that actually exists of Trump's proposals (most of which are cocktail napkin slogans and little else) are unworkable and self contradictory.

    The GOP leadership will quickly find itself having to curb Trump's excesses, and the Democrats will have far more leverage than they've had in years because of this reality.
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    One thing you can be certain of is that a Trump presidency will result in an openly divided GOP House and Senate. The Republicans will be split between the lunatic fringe and the people trapped between the lunatic fringe and the vain self promoting fool that the fringe voted for.
     
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    holy crap dude....

    Democrats had both houses and the presidency, and all they did was loot American tax payers.

    [video=youtube;4p4-vPrcDBo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p4-vPrcDBo[/video]
     
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    If he proposes anything radical the Republicans will obstruct him.
     
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    There is no evidence that Trump cares about anyone or anybody other than Himself and his family. His record of scamming investors and small business people, offshoring production, and spending no money or effort on anything charitable is a good forecaster of the way we can expect a Trump presidency to function or not function as the case may be.
     
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    Obama seldom tried to deal with the Legislative Branch. For most of his presidency his attitude has been 'My way or the Highway' and 'That's what a pen and a phone are for,' and the results have been predictable. Bill Clinton was just as despised by the Right as Barack Obama is, but Bill WOULD compromise and even -- gasp! -- stray across ideological lines in order to strike deals. Obama won't do that. Unlike with Syria, Obama drew a line in the sand with the Legislative Branch and then stuck to it.

    Oh and as for obstructionist. Everyone knows by this time that Harry Reid point blank refused to let most legislation (Right AND Left) get off his desk in order to go through the last of the legislative process before going to Barack Obama's desk. Reid and the Democratic legislators were the . . . obstructionists. Well, they and Barack Obama.
     
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    so hes no different than Hillary, except she just lies about it?
     
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    republicans will lose more seats this election, so if Trump won, dems in congress would return the favor, many republicans would be against him, it would not be good for Trump

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    Have no clue what you're talking about. Can you give some examples of a president covering and lying? Not disputing your claim, just want some clarification.

    And this hardly seems to contradict my point, which you apparently agree with.

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    So you're voting the lesser of two evils. That's fine. You should have stated this first rather than argue "dealmaker."
     
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    Regardless of what is good or bad for Trump, we should be much more concerned about the negative effect that a President Trump would have on America.
     
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    The Republican leadership drew no "lines in the sand". From the very beginning they publicly announced that there would be NO cooperation with Obama from their party. After YEARS of unsuccessful compromise attempts, a frustrated Obama began to fight back. Democrats in Congress were less patient.
     
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    Obama compromised only a few times over the course of the last eight years, and whenever he did he found the Legislative Branch to be willing to deal. Obama is an obstructionist's obstructionist.
     
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    Obama was criticized by his own party for compromising too much.

    Democratic proposals that did pass had VERY LITTLE Republican support.
     
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    Yes, when once or twice Obama compromised then hate-filled and radical leftists did hit the roof. On the whole, however, Obama never did bother to compromise, and the result was predictable. Bill Clinton, however, DID compromise. So, too, did Ronald Reagan. Both of those presidents compromised and had great presidencies (in relative terms) as a result. Obama being a radical leftist almost never compromised, which is why he had to resort to a quasi-illegal use of Pen and Phone.
     
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    When it comes to the Republicans, definitely. I mean for starters, he's white.
     
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    Radical left should not mean anything that deviates from the radical right. Not selling one's soul for the sake of compromise should not be considered obstruction.
     
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    (Shrug) However one slices it Obama almost never compromised and therefore he was an obstructionist. A good president wheels and deals and Obama was not a good president.
     
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    Maybe I didn't properly word my question. Yes, I'm well aware of how Congress works. It's been that way forever. We're talking about how the President works with Congress. Give an example that includes the President, and then describe how Trump would change any of this.
     

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