Would You Date Caitlyn Jenner?

I directly addressed the point.

You like many other conservatives cannot separate tolerance with approval or adoption. The fact that liberals tolerate behaviors different than their own does not mean that they necessarily adopt such behaviors themselves.

 

So why do many progressives consider Caitlyn Jenner a woman, then? Making her "woman of the year?" Is she, or isn't she? Is your "tolerance" just pleasantries that don't really mean anything? If she was really a "woman", then people who believe she is a woman would be willing to date her, right?

 

As others have already pointed out, you seem to be mistaking tolerance for adoption.

There are millions of women I would not date. There are millions of women I WOULD date. What separates them? They're all women, after all. According to your logic, I should have no problem dating them all. But clearly, that's not the case.

The thing about dating and attraction is that it's very personal. Sometimes, it starts out with physical attraction. Sometimes, it starts out with mental compatibility. Which one gets the ball rolling depends on the situation and the people involved. But both eventually need to be present for a long-term relationship to make sense.

Let's say I met someone I found physically attractive. Let's further say that, after spending time with her, I found her mentally compatible. So we started dating.

If at that point she revealed she was transgender, what would I do?

Frankly, I don't know. I mean, we've already stated I'm physically and mentally attracted to the person. If she had all the right physical equipment, I imagine the fact that she used to be a man wouldn't matter. If she DIDN'T have all the right physical equipment, that MIGHT matter -- I'm not gay, and I don't find male body parts arousing. But maybe it wouldn't. It would totally depend on our relationship.

I think most people are like that. It's why spouses often stay together after one of them has a sex change -- because they realize they're attracted to each other, not just a gender.

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Treating her as a woman, because she considers herself a woman, is tolerance.

It's completely different from whether I find her attractive.

 

Your question was posed to progressives as a group. What difference does it make as to what an individual wants to do? That is their own damn business. Another thing many conservatives seem to like to do.

 

Of course tolerance means more than just "pleasantries." But because you tolerate something doesn't mean you have to adopt it.

Jeez, it seems like the concept of tolerance is so foreign to you you cannot grasp what it is.

 

I wouldn't class myself anywhere near progressive.
However, I couldn't really care if he wants to have a sex change.
If someone does... and they are very convincing as a woman... and try to get it on with me.... hell, if I don't know, what am I meant to do? Really?

But if I know someone was a man, no matter how attractive they now look, and no matter how much surgery they have had, I don't think I would be interested in getting it on with them.

 

I would wager that most men, upon learning that the "woman" he is attracted to was born a man, would end the relationship. The ideology of "tolerance" and the irrational fetish for change may cause the enlightened to profess that this would all be copacetic, but when it came down to it, I think reality would win. Biology is a hard thing to overcome, regardless of how many liberal arts classes one took in college.

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I asked progressives as a group, because by and large, it's progressives who are celebrating Caitlyn Jenner as a woman, and naming her woman of the year.

 

Okay. So why did you pretend you were asking a question in this thread, when all you really wanted to do was make that assertion?

See above.

 

But if a group of people are calling her a "woman", and making her "woman of the year", wouldn't it just be a pleasantry when they know on some level that she really isn't a woman? When they find themselves acknowledging the reality that they would never date a transgender, regardless of the surgical outcome, they have to admit on some level that this really isn't a woman we're dealing with, here.

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Because questions lead to some interesting discussions. I think most people who ask questions on a political forum already have a preconceived notion in mind. That's not that out of the ordinary, is it ray?

But fortunately, most of the responses so far are in accordance with my own predictions for this thread.

 

Not if you have been in a long term relationship with that partner/spouse.... Biological differences aside, not everything boils down to gender. One can be perfectly happy in a relationship based on mutual respect and compatibility.
People change, we all do. Physical limitations and changes alter our capabilities, our lives, When what we thought we treasured falls by the wayside, and only what truly binds us remains, it is when we realize what is important....a deep spiritual connection.

 

There's asking questions because you're genuinely interested in the answers, and there's asking questions merely so you can contradict the answers with your pre-conceived notion. You would save a lot of time by simply making the assertion and seeing what responses you get, rather than soliciting answers you're not actually interested in.

 

Who says I'm not interested in them? And I think it would be about the same amount of time, either way. Typing speed doesn't change between answering questions and responding to statements.

 

People change, yes, but they don't naturally change from a woman to a man, or vice-versa. These are differences people are born with. Creative surgery and synthetic hormones don't change these differences on a biological or molecular level. A straight man will be hard wired to find women attractive. Dressing a man up as a woman doesn't really change this unless that straight man is unaware of this deception.

 

So who cares, and what is your point?

What difference does it make as to what an individual wants to do? That is their own damn business.

 

With the amount of big Government intrusions into the private lives of citizens, supported by the Democrat party, can you be a little more specific on what it is you are referring to? Is it only the sexual lives of citizens where the collective isn't as important as the individual?

Would you date a transgender if you found them attractive?

 

You are missing my point. To me, Bruce is born Bruce and is still Bruce, and that is that. Although no one knows what it means to have a gender identity conflict unless it affects our very person.
But if he were my husband who has loved and respected me over the years, made me laugh, built a life with me, complemented me in more ways than I can count, I would love him regardless, and I would support him. Why? Because I want the one I love to be happy. Love doesn't come with an on/off switch. Relationships can adapt.

 

You're question.

No

What I would do is none of your damn business.

 

Fair enough. I don't agree.

To me, the true test of whether or not the people claiming Jenner is now a woman would be if they were suddenly attracted to him after his transformation. Not just him, but trangenders in general.

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So if you're not willing to answer the question posed in the OP, what is your purpose in participating?

 

What part of "What I would do is none of your damn business" did you have trouble understanding? What I would do or not is completely irrelevant.

The purpose of my participation was to expose the silliness of the foundation of your question.

 

You haven't explained how the question is silly. It just looks like you're unwilling to answer the question because it proves my suspicion correct. Jenner isn't a woman, will never be a woman, and you'll never look at "her" like you would other women, regardless of how successful the surgery goes.

 

I've explained it many times. The question rests on the fallacious (and silly) proposition that because you tolerate someone's differing views that means that you necessarily adopt or approve it. You think you're trying to set up some kind of silly "gotcha" where if a liberal says no, I wouldn't date Jenner because he's a transgender that would be hypocritical. It's not.

Whether someone would date a trangender or gay is completely irrelevant to the fact that they have tolerance for their lifestyle and treat them with respect.

 

He's interested in the answers so he can make a lame "gotcha" argument by claiming you're being hypocritical if you say you wouldn't date a transgender.

Either that or he has a prurient interest in other people's sex lives, and what an individual member here does is none of his business.

 

But the OP didn't ask whether or not progressives "tolerate" the transgender lifestyle. Obviously they do. The OP asked, very specifically, if someone who truly believed a transgender to be a woman would be willing to date her (Caitlyn, in this case) after the surgery is complete.

 

How is that not hypocritical, though? If someone believes it's possible for a man to become a real woman, but wouldn't date that woman because of the fact that she was born a man, how can we take that person seriously when he says someone like Caitlyn Jenner is a real woman?

 

Why are you asking the question? What difference does it make whether they would or not?